Pls get sh*t together Americans [Newtown shooting]

Pls stop killing children in shooting sprees pls ;_; is of vry bads

pls gun control now.

>He thinks Gun Control works
>He thinks MultiCulturlaism works

''The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent. In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold. In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.''

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

''Gun crime in London rose by nearly half and rape and homophobic crime rose by about a quarter over the past year, police figures have revealed. There were 2,646 rapes and 1,319 homophobic crimes in London during 2009, rises of 24.2% and 26.9% respectively.''

''Ms de Brunner said: "Overall, crime continues to fall, which is great news for London.''

LOL... Those police sure are great at lying. You can't ignore rape complaints but you can ignore inner city muggings.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8473029.stm

''Data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent. The Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed. Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.''

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/12/11/gun-crime-soars-in-england-where-guns-are-banned-n1464528

That's right. Strip the good citizens of their arms, then criminals will suddenly stop using them too, right? 14 kids deaths are not an excuse to ban arms. People use rocks to kill each other, we should ban them as well.

If a criminal wants a gun, he's gonna get a gun. If there's no way to use a gun, he'll use a knife. Crimes like these have been happening everywhere throughout the ages, but we can't let a few idiots ruin everything for the rest of us; there's no way to pass a law against being crazy anyway. No matter how many laws we pass, shootings will continue. My condolences to families of the deceased.

Btw it was 20 kids, Tik Tok. Good to know you care.

>homophobic crime increase
I approve of this.

Also Tik-Tok, legitimate people like farmers get around the restrictions either by acquiring a gun license or borrowing from a friend. But these wackos don't have friends or any such thing. The criminals get them from smugglers. So generally, gun control does work, unlike in America where you can walk into the next state and buy a gun there.

PS: how is multiculturalism related to this? Are you saying that America belongs to the Natives and that white people are causing this mess? Oh you.

I have a way to stop these gun shootings. Don't give guns to families with retard babies.

Általa írva Reporter, 15.12.2012 at 13:27

I have a way to stop these gun shootings. Don't give guns to families with retard babies.

lololol was gonna say the same thing xD

You're kinda evading the point tik-tok, gun control will limit the flow of guns period -- whether it be to the hands of criminals or innocent citizens. We'd be limiting guns to both parties, so there'd be less need for self defense anyways. Just use a baseball bat or something if you really need to. The thing is, gun control at this point is useless, as anyone who wants to commit a crime probably already has one. And no, mathdino, the gunman wouldn't kill all of the students with a knife. That's too time consuming, and im sure one of the women would be able to stop him if he had a knife...it's just not as efficient as a gun.

Általa írva Cardinal Ouellet, 15.12.2012 at 16:16

No! The Earth is overpopulated!
We need more weapons!
Bang!
Bang!

This particular case actually highlights Americans failing in dealing with the mentally ill more so than restrictions on firearms. Although the two are related they are separate issues.

West Germany?

Általa írva Cardinal Ouellet, 15.12.2012 at 16:16

israel number 2 in the list
god bless israel

Általa írva Mathdino, 15.12.2012 at 10:37

Btw it was 20 kids, Tik Tok. Good to know you care.

I don't. Typical yank getting pissy about some kids dying in the US. If I cared about every child that was murdered or died horribly across the world, I'd be weeping a never ending river of tears.

Do you know the exact number of Russian kids killed by the Chechnya militia? Oh, becuase you don't know the exact number then you are clearly a sociopath.

Don't pick such small details. Kids died, end of. It isn't a justification for restricting arms while your government buys up years worth of Armour piercing rounds and Bullet proof Armoured transport vehicles for 'security.'

Általa írva YOBA, 15.12.2012 at 12:00

>homophobic crime increase
I approve of this.
The criminals get them from smugglers. So generally, gun control does work, unlike in America where you can walk into the next state and buy a gun there.

PS: how is multiculturalism related to this? Are you saying that America belongs to the Natives and that white people are causing this mess? Oh you.

Gun control doesn't work. Some of the worst cities in the US have strict gun control laws and the arms are not bought legally. Other states with open carry laws have fairly low crime rates. Law abiding citizens that cant defend themselves are much better targets.

MultiCulturlaism, a codeword for MultiRacialism has had a very detrimental affect on both the US and the US. The UK once had very open gun laws around the early 1900s and gun crime was so low that most deaths were due to duels. This very low rate of murder continued up until the end of the 1950s, when homicide began to increase and then skyrocket. This occurred at the same time as the US. The highest rates of murder are among African populations. This correlates across continents and cultures.

Race, Cultures, History, Poverty, Terrible Welfare Policy, Progressive Politics, Entitlement Complex and the Dysgenic system which grows has alot to do with this. I'd argue that many ghettos would work better with open carry and the ability to stand your ground. Many law abiding citizens in these areas cannot protect themselves, that right is stripped from them by government. Detroit is showing fantastic examples of citizens ignoring these laws, forming mini militia because there is almost no police presence.

And your argument that America belongs to the natives is flawed. Using that logic, Turks should leave Turkey, Black Africans in Southern Africa should move back up to the Congo. Land only belongs to those who can hold it. If Europeans fail to hold it then they do not deserve it but those who attempt to take it should not expect mercy. Most especially the Progressive hypocrites demanding that Europeans do not deserve to.

Általa írva VAGlNEER 2.0, 15.12.2012 at 15:59

You're kinda evading the point tik-tok, gun control will limit the flow of guns period -- whether it be to the hands of criminals or innocent citizens. We'd be limiting guns to both parties, so there'd be less need for self defense anyways. Just use a baseball bat or something if you really need to. The thing is, gun control at this point is useless, as anyone who wants to commit a crime probably already has one. And no, mathdino, the gunman wouldn't kill all of the students with a knife. That's too time consuming, and im sure one of the women would be able to stop him if he had a knife...it's just not as efficient as a gun.

A Chinese man recently stabbed a bunch of children. It happens.

No, you don't limit guns to both sides, you limit it to one side completely and partially limit it to the other.

Általa írva Cardinal Ouellet, 15.12.2012 at 16:16

And those numbers were drastically reduced pre sixties across the USA. You are also ignoring the fact that many of those countries are small, with small populations and a large semi or totally nationalized healthcare system where modern science has made bullet wounds far less mortal.

Why did Sweden have such low crime? Why does Iceland have one of the lowest crime rates in the world? Why does Japan? Why does Cornwall?

Általa írva Pointlesfield, 16.12.2012 at 12:26

Általa írva Cardinal Ouellet, 15.12.2012 at 16:16

israel number 2 in the list
god bless israel

We'll ignore all the Palestinians killed of course because that technically isn't Israel, right?

Általa írva Tik-Tok, 16.12.2012 at 13:37

And your argument that America belongs to the natives is flawed. Using that logic, Turks should leave Turkey, Black Africans in Southern Africa should move back up to the Congo. Land only belongs to those who can hold it. If Europeans fail to hold it then they do not deserve it but those who attempt to take it should not expect mercy. Most especially the Progressive hypocrites demanding that Europeans do not deserve to.

Actually, I was just pointing out how short-sighted your theory was. By your definition, the US is also multicultural as the natives were always around and the whites came other and suddenly made it multicultural.

And those statistics don't prove anything. I'd argue that it is a greater exposure to violence and so on from an early age that causes these things. The first mass shooting of the 20th century was in 1913 in Germany. The number of mass shootings has doubled (sometimes more) every decade. Why did the crime rate shoot up in the 50s? I'd say it is the introduction of the television and the effects of the war.

After 9/11 (yes, no shit) and 7/7, suicide rates fell down by 40 per cent in England and Wales. This effect is called the 'Blitz spirit', named after WW2 of course. After the war, people started going mad again. I'd say the media and exposure to violent films and video games from an early age also cause people to become desensitised to violence, eventually lead them to inflict pain on others when they go down the suicide route.

Anyway, this is not a matter of gun control, it's a matter of identifying what makes people psychotic killers. The school that Ryan Lanza (a white guy, I should mention) shot up was his old high school. Coincidence? I think not, I know plenty of kids that had a very, very bad experience in high school. But as for the gun control thing: I think it's fair to say that restrictions should be placed on gun ownership, just in case some maniac goes and kills dozens of innocents who have nothing to defend themselves with. And these restrictions work if enforced well. It is extraordinarily hard to get hold of guns in Europe. In Africa, I don't know if it's illegal, but it's a well-known fact that the police in African countries almost certainly doesn't give a fuck.

Basically, the more effective the restrictions, the greater the lack of guns. And let's be fair; I bet 99% of people who have visited this thread have never even held a gun *cough* Tik-Tok lives in London *cough* in their lives. So this doesn't even concern you. I can safely say that most hunters (the population of which should be reduced by at least a quarter, just too damn many of them killing off whole species) get along just fine with aggressive gun control.

/thread

Általa írva YOBA, 16.12.2012 at 15:20

Általa írva Tik-Tok, 16.12.2012 at 13:37

And your argument that America belongs to the natives is flawed. Using that logic, Turks should leave Turkey, Black Africans in Southern Africa should move back up to the Congo. Land only belongs to those who can hold it. If Europeans fail to hold it then they do not deserve it but those who attempt to take it should not expect mercy. Most especially the Progressive hypocrites demanding that Europeans do not deserve to.

Actually, I was just pointing out how short-sighted your theory was. By your definition, the US is also multicultural as the natives were always around and the whites came other and suddenly made it multicultural.

And those statistics don't prove anything. I'd argue that it is a greater exposure to violence and so on from an early age that causes these things. The first mass shooting of the 20th century was in 1913 in Germany. The number of mass shootings has doubled (sometimes more) every decade. Why did the crime rate shoot up in the 50s? I'd say it is the introduction of the television and the effects of the war.

After 9/11 (yes, no shit) and 7/7, suicide rates fell down by 40 per cent in England and Wales. This effect is called the 'Blitz spirit', named after WW2 of course. After the war, people started going mad again. I'd say the media and exposure to violent films and video games from an early age also cause people to become desensitised to violence, eventually lead them to inflict pain on others when they go down the suicide route.

Anyway, this is not a matter of gun control, it's a matter of identifying what makes people psychotic killers. The school that Ryan Lanza (a white guy, I should mention) shot up was his old high school. Coincidence? I think not, I know plenty of kids that had a very, very bad experience in high school. But as for the gun control thing: I think it's fair to say that restrictions should be placed on gun ownership, just in case some maniac goes and kills dozens of innocents who have nothing to defend themselves with. And these restrictions work if enforced well. It is extraordinarily hard to get hold of guns in Europe. In Africa, I don't know if it's illegal, but it's a well-known fact that the police in African countries almost certainly doesn't give a fuck.

Basically, the more effective the restrictions, the greater the lack of guns. And let's be fair; I bet 99% of people who have visited this thread have never even held a gun *cough* Tik-Tok lives in London *cough* in their lives. So this doesn't even concern you. I can safely say that most hunters (the population of which should be reduced by at least a quarter, just too damn many of them killing off whole species) get along just fine with aggressive gun control.

/thread

So no ones been exposed to violence for 5000 years? Have you seen the murder rates in the US in the late 1800s? Or the murder rates in London. Most Wild West and Victorian Age dramas are fictional and exaggerated.

>In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
>In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.

http://www.examiner.com/article/dispelling-the-myth-of-the-wild-west

So Africans and Hispanics kill on averages far, far higher than American Whites and yet it is arguable that those Whites are subjected to more video game and television violence than both of those groups and yet this majority soon-to-become-a-minority commits a far lower crime rate per capita. Your theory has serious concrete flaws. It's based entirely on the Marxist theory of socialization. This theory has some truth to it that our environment dictates our actions but Multi Racilialism has alot to do with this. As I said, across continents, cultures, languages, Africans continue to commit crime rates higher than any other majority.

I do not define Multiculturalism as multiple cultures. That is not how progressives think. You could have a university filled with French, Swedes, Belgians, Germans, Anglo, Scots and Dutch. They would speak different languages, eat different foods, hold different histories and even differing perspectives on how they perceive the world and yet progressives would not consider this Multi Cultural or Diverse. It would be considered racist, backward and regressive all because they are all white. And yet, if everyone spoke the same language, ate the same foods and had different racial backgrounds, then it would be considered diverse. Diversity has no end limit, it simply means less whites. They want Multi Racialism, not Multiculturalism but they cannot admit it because they do not believe race exists. To admit race exists would be to admit we are different enough that it brings about a positive effect. It opens too many doors, too many for the already close minded progressive filled with cognitive dissonance.

Its quite simple, in the so called Wild West when arms were widely available, there was almost no crime. This is seen in open carry areas where criminals do not venture because it is simply to dangerous to rob an armed person.

Gun control has never worked, it is used to control people. It limits arms from law abiding citizens and allows arms to those who don't. It is oppression, disarmament and a sign of an aggressive, malevolent government. A good example of this is Germany in the 1930s. National Socialist Germany never had a restriction of arms, and gun control only came into effect after the fall of Germany. Germany has never had as lax gun control since then.

Your theory is silly, it specifies one causation and has holes. My point is solid and concrete and I specified multiple reasons both genetic AND environmental.

Don't /thread me kid. You aren't that special.

>stats don't mean anything
Spoken like a true spinster that can't argue concrete facts that belittle their arguments.

*sigh* yet another Tik-Tok thread. Very well, let's take this step-by-step.

Általa írva Tik-Tok, 16.12.2012 at 17:01

So no ones been exposed to violence for 5000 years? Have you seen the murder rates in the US in the late 1800s? Or the murder rates in London. Most Wild West and Victorian Age dramas are fictional and exaggerated.

>In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
>In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.

http://www.examiner.com/article/dispelling-the-myth-of-the-wild-west

Except that the population was significantly small in these times, they weren't regularly exposed to violence and death was more commonplace. They also had religion, and while I'm not religious myself, I would say that the strict code of conduct every religion (all Abrahamic religions) promote are very important. While they are not always followed to the letter, and social historian will tell you how important they have been in restraining people or driving them to do great things.

Általa írva Tik-Tok, 16.12.2012 at 17:01

So Africans and Hispanics kill on averages far, far higher than American Whites and yet it is arguable that those Whites are subjected to more video game and television violence than both of those groups and yet this majority soon-to-become-a-minority commits a far lower crime rate per capita. Your theory has serious concrete flaws. It's based entirely on the Marxist theory of socialization. This theory has some truth to it that our environment dictates our actions but Multi Racilialism has alot to do with this. As I said, across continents, cultures, languages, Africans continue to commit crime rates higher than any other majority.

Blacks and Hispanics have far less to lose when they go killing. They are usually considerably poorer than most whites and live in what are effectively ghettos. Furthermore, it seems like a lot of African-American 'culture' revolves around gangsta rap and killing and all this stupid shit. A gross generalisation, but it is undeniable that perception of this culture has seeped into every layer of black society, whether they support it, laugh at it or are worried by it. And what's so bad about Marxism? Marx made very accurate observations (though I don't agree with historical materialism and class struggle). Unfortunately, Engels and Lenin made it into a stupid political ideology that solved none of the problems that Marx highlighted which are very much still true. A key quote for this matter: 'It is not the consciousness of men that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their consciousness.'

Általa írva Tik-Tok, 16.12.2012 at 17:01

I do not define Multiculturalism as multiple cultures. That is not how progressives think. You could have a university filled with French, Swedes, Belgians, Germans, Anglo, Scots and Dutch. They would speak different languages, eat different foods, hold different histories and even differing perspectives on how they perceive the world and yet progressives would not consider this Multi Cultural or Diverse. It would be considered racist, backward and regressive all because they are all white. And yet, if everyone spoke the same language, ate the same foods and had different racial backgrounds, then it would be considered diverse. Diversity has no end limit, it simply means less whites. They want Multi Racialism, not Multiculturalism but they cannot admit it because they do not believe race exists. To admit race exists would be to admit we are different enough that it brings about a positive effect. It opens too many doors, too many for the already close minded progressive filled with cognitive dissonance.

You could also have gypsies that would steal your camera (happened to my dad) whenever you're not watching. They're white too, y'know. And a hell of a lot of them are criminals, petty or greater.

It's about culture, not race, and culture determines how a race will act as races are so strapped down within themselves. If you are a black kid who goes to a majority-white school, you will almost certainly end up hanging out with black friends all the way through it. You come from London and you will know exactly what I'm talking about, as I've been in a school that consists of a plurality of races (my sixth form is almost all white/asian, the high school [they are combined] about 40/50 black/white). Every human has a little racism in them and are naturally wary of people not of their own race. Liberals will deny this, of course.
This leads to the same idiotic ideas being repeated over and over. That's why religion works, because it transcends races but never really brings them together.

Also, the above stated is not a Marxist view. There probably is a name for my set of ideas, but I'm not aware of it.

Általa írva Tik-Tok, 16.12.2012 at 17:01

Its quite simple, in the so called Wild West when arms were widely available, there was almost no crime. This is seen in open carry areas where criminals do not venture because it is simply to dangerous to rob an armed person.

Gun control has never worked, it is used to control people. It limits arms from law abiding citizens and allows arms to those who don't. It is oppression, disarmament and a sign of an aggressive, malevolent government. A good example of this is Germany in the 1930s. National Socialist Germany never had a restriction of arms, and gun control only came into effect after the fall of Germany. Germany has never had as lax gun control since then.

Nazi Germany is the absolute worst example to give for this. Over 100,000 Germans were imprisoned by the Nazi party on rather petty or arbitrary charges, and that's not even counting the political prisoners. Also, the Hitler Jugend brainwashed the hell out of its recruits in believing that they had a mission and had to train to achieve that mission and determinedly fight off every trouble. By giving people a goal in life, you take away a massive cause for suicide. I was very much talking about upbringing too, which is key in bringing about the psyche that causes one to do a mass shooting. The Hitler Youth and fear of the law (torture was by no means uncommon in prison - though a Dutch Golden Age prison was probably worse) seriously limited gun crime.

Additionally, the Nazi German government was thinking in political terms for just about everything it did. They gave objects like guns meaning and attached an ideology to them. If it didn't fit their ideology, it would not happen. A major ideology that was constantly repeated by pricks like Goebbels, mainly used as a means to the end of wiping out the Slavic race, was the belief that nations survived by warfare and that the German people made the best soldiers in the world. Among many others. From 1944, they began training German citizens for a climactic final battle as they still believed they could win and this was put in effect in 1945 with disastrous effects in the Battle in Berlin (the volkssturm were quick to surrender in smaller towns and border areas where they wouldn't have a die-hard SS man screaming at them). But many fought to the end anyway. It was 'Blitz Spirit' at work. The Nazi government just handed out bullshit freedoms in their quest to claim Eastern Europe for Germany. If something didn't help them politically, it was passed over.

Általa írva Tik-Tok, 16.12.2012 at 17:01

Your theory is silly, it specifies one causation and has holes. My point is solid and concrete and I specified multiple reasons both genetic AND environmental.

Genetic reasons? Not only did you not state anything about that anywhere, but it's been proven multiple times over that eugenics is a bullshit science. Environmental reasons? You just completely rejected them. A real pro at forming an argument, I see.

Általa írva Tik-Tok, 16.12.2012 at 17:01

Don't /thread me kid. You aren't that special.

>stats don't mean anything
Spoken like a true spinster that can't argue concrete facts that belittle their arguments.

Do you mean spindoctor? Because I'm so infinitely superior at arguing than you, you who doesn't even take notes from the opposition? Ad hominem for ad hominem.

>Except that the population was significantly small in these times, they weren't regularly exposed to violence and death was more commonplace. They also had religion, and while I'm not religious myself, I would say that the strict code of conduct every religion (all Abrahamic religions) promote are very important. While they are not always followed to the letter, and social historian will tell you how important they have been in restraining people or driving them to do great things.

Hispanics and Africans are among the most religious in the world and it has not changed a thing. Despite strict catholic and even Islamic codes, they still commit crime rates exceeding that of Europeans and East Asians. Not exposed to violence? So a civil war wasn't violent? When there was a death, there were no hospitals, no morgues. When someone died, the family had to take care of it. You sweep over the fact that despite almost no gun control, across western outbacks and bigger cities and townships, there was almost NO CRIME. It is a solid fact that open carry areas have lower crime.

These are points you consistently ignore. Gun control doesn't work and has NEVER worked.

>Blacks and Hispanics have far less to lose when they go killing. They are usually considerably poorer than most whites and live in what are effectively ghettos. Furthermore, it seems like a lot of African-American 'culture' revolves around gangsta rap and killing and all this stupid shit. A gross generalisation, but it is undeniable that perception of this culture has seeped into every layer of black society, whether they support it, laugh at it or are worried by it. And what's so bad about Marxism? Marx made very accurate observations (though I don't agree with historical materialism and class struggle). Unfortunately, Engels and Lenin made it into a stupid political ideology that solved none of the problems that Marx highlighted which are very much still true. A key quote for this matter: 'It is not the consciousness of men that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their consciousness.'

These crime rates existed pre gangsta culture. Even Arab scholars from the 14th century commented on the behavior of Africans which other more ''liberal'' scholars tried to justify. History repeats itself. Whites also live in poor communities but they still don't commit those levels of crime. Many White Europeans lived in abject poverty, far harsher lives pre 50s and yet still did not commit these levels of crimes. They simply have not existed in European society in the past centuries if at all.

>You could also have gypsies that would steal your camera (happened to my dad) whenever you're not watching. They're white too, y'know. And a hell of a lot of them are criminals, petty or greater.

That's your argument? A minority population across Europe that steals things? Firstly, Gypsies are not white. Roma Gypsies aren't even from Europe. They may have mixed with slavs and other Europeans but they are still a mixed breed but they don't massacre eachother and other populations on a regular basis. It's a poor comparison.

>It's about culture, not race, and culture determines how a race will act as races are so strapped down within themselves. If you are a black kid who goes to a majority-white school, you will almost certainly end up hanging out with black friends all the way through it. You come from London and you will know exactly what I'm talking about, as I've been in a school that consists of a plurality of races (my sixth form is almost all white/asian, the high school [they are combined] about 40/50 black/white). Every human has a little racism in them and are naturally wary of people not of their own race. Liberals will deny this, of course.
This leads to the same idiotic ideas being repeated over and over. That's why religion works, because it transcends races but never really brings them together.

It is both culture AND race. You can keep running around the reality but it will always bite you.

>Nazi Germany is the absolute worst example to give for this. Over 100,000 Germans were imprisoned by the Nazi party on rather petty or arbitrary charges, and that's not even counting the political prisoners. Also, the Hitler Jugend brainwashed the hell out of its recruits in believing that they had a mission and had to train to achieve that mission and determinedly fight off every trouble. By giving people a goal in life, you take away a massive cause for suicide. I was very much talking about upbringing too, which is key in bringing about the psyche that causes one to do a mass shooting. The Hitler Youth and fear of the law (torture was by no means uncommon in prison - though a Dutch Golden Age prison was probably worse) seriously limited gun crime.

>Additionally, the Nazi German government was thinking in political terms for just about everything it did. They gave objects like guns meaning and attached an ideology to them. If it didn't fit their ideology, it would not happen. A major ideology that was constantly repeated by pricks like Goebbels, mainly used as a means to the end of wiping out the Slavic race, was the belief that nations survived by warfare and that the German people made the best soldiers in the world. Among many others. From 1944, they began training German citizens for a climactic final battle as they still believed they could win and this was put in effect in 1945 with disastrous effects in the Battle in Berlin (the volkssturm were quick to surrender in smaller towns and border areas where they wouldn't have a die-hard SS man screaming at them). But many fought to the end anyway. It was 'Blitz Spirit' at work. The Nazi government just handed out bullshit freedoms in their quest to claim Eastern Europe for Germany. If something didn't help them politically, it was passed over.

Spoken like a butthurt slav. Do not give arbitrary reasons for imprisonment, I do not have the illusion it was a paradise but a crisis government must make drastic decisions and changes. The entire world declared war on Germany, this started back in 33 when they were sanctioned, outcast and disowned for daring to take on international banking cartels and create an economic system which worked outside their system. Do I condone the treatment of slavs? No, but nor do I claim it is the entire truth. There were many Soviet operations to commit war crimes and then blame it on the Germans.

But this is not a discussion of Germany, I brought it up as an example.

>Genetic reasons? Not only did you not state anything about that anywhere, but it's been proven multiple times over that eugenics is a bullshit science. Environmental reasons? You just completely rejected them. A real pro at forming an argument, I see.

What's proven? By pathetic fearful quasi scientists too afraid to veer outside their politically correct view. Eugenics is a grand science stained by History. To ignore the very fabric that makes us is ridiculous and we ignore it because it is an abyss that stares back and reveals dark truths about who and what we are. It determines our roles, our intellect, our abilities, our capability and especially, our limits. I did not reject Environmental reasons, I simply said I do not rule out genetics. I have MULTIPLE reasons if you care to actually read what is said instead skimming over information and ignoring the statistics in front of your eyes.

>Do you mean spindoctor? Because I'm so infinitely superior at arguing than you, you who doesn't even take notes from the opposition? Ad hominem for ad hominem.

Spinster is a British word for spin doctor. Superior? At what? Ignoring statistics, history, human behavior, genetics and ignoring key points and then claiming some victory after a sentence not even relevant.

>/thread

I consider that Ad Hominem, to claim some arbitrary victory right after making pathetic arguments. You are a boy, just a boy, a smart boy but a naive boy.

You people (Tik and YOBA) turn threads into books. I swear.

Általa írva Reporter, 16.12.2012 at 19:03

You people (Tik and YOBA) turn threads into books. I swear.

I stopped reading their posts halfway through tik-tok's first post.

Általa írva Cardinal Ouellet, 15.12.2012 at 16:16

How old is this? West Germany?

The high school [they are combined] about 40/50 black/white)

lie

Általa írva Tik-Tok, 16.12.2012 at 18:39

Many White Europeans lived in abject poverty, far harsher lives pre 50s and yet still did not commit these levels of crimes.

That's a big wet lie right there. Try living where I do. It'll change your view fast.

Általa írva Reporter, 19.12.2012 at 08:28

Általa írva Tik-Tok, 16.12.2012 at 18:39

Many White Europeans lived in abject poverty, far harsher lives pre 50s and yet still did not commit these levels of crimes.

That's a big wet lie right there. Try living where I do. It'll change your view fast.

You modern fucks have no idea what poverty is. Not a single clue. You know NOTHING of History if you actually believe this.

What the fuck is going on in here?

Gun control and mental illness are two issues that need to be dealt with in America; Not just one of them, both. I hate people who are obsessed with their guns who try to defend them by saying it's because we're not helping the mentally ill enough. Completely false, if there weren't guns things like this would never happen. Also, I hate those who say it's not the mentally ill it's gun control. IT'S BOTH. If they had serious and strict permits to buy guns there would obviously be less gun violence in America. However, like Vag said, it wouldn't make much of a difference at this point. The government and the american people need to take in account that both of these issues need to be dealt with not just one or the other. On the news the other day, I heard they already started making bullet-proof backpacks for the kids and bullet proof doors. Really America? That's all you can do with your money? How about actually doing something that would help rather than brainwashing your people with nonsense.

The real problem in America

Do you want to know why these mass shootings keep happening? Watch the news, and see for yourself. The media projects the killers as if they were celebrities with all their coverage and emphasizing the wrong side of things. Dylam Klebold and Eric Harris were the ones who committed the Columbine High School Massacre. We know their names, but does anyone know any of the victims? The media emphasizes so much on the shootings that other monsters like the one who committed the Newtown shooting, will want to top that off by doing something worse. Why? Because they'll be remembered as monsters and not sad nobodies. Also interviewing kids from ages 5 to 7? Really America? Lastly, there have been articles stating that this was the worse mass shooting ever, as if statistics can really identify one shooting more horrible than another. They're all horrible and atrocious, you just can't rate that.

Általa írva tophat, 21.12.2012 at 20:22

Gun control and mental illness are two issues that need to be dealt with in America; Not just one of them, both. I hate people who are obsessed with their guns who try to defend them by saying it's because we're not helping the mentally ill enough. Completely false, if there weren't guns things like this would never happen. Also, I hate those who say it's not the mentally ill it's gun control. IT'S BOTH. If they had serious and strict permits to buy guns there would obviously be less gun violence in America. However, like Vag said, it wouldn't make much of a difference at this point. The government and the american people need to take in account that both of these issues need to be dealt with not just one or the other. On the news the other day, I heard they already started making bullet-proof backpacks for the kids and bullet proof doors. Really America? That's all you can do with your money? How about actually doing something that would help rather than brainwashing your people with nonsense.

The real problem in America

Do you want to know why these mass shootings keep happening? Watch the news, and see for yourself. The media projects the killers as if they were celebrities with all their coverage and emphasizing the wrong side of things. Dylam Klebold and Eric Harris were the ones who committed the Columbine High School Massacre. We know their names, but does anyone know any of the victims? The media emphasizes so much on the shootings that other monsters like the one who committed the Newtown shooting, will want to top that off by doing something worse. Why? Because they'll be remembered as monsters and not sad nobodies. Also interviewing kids from ages 5 to 7? Really America? Lastly, there have been articles stating that this was the worse mass shooting ever, as if statistics can really identify one shooting more horrible than another. They're all horrible and atrocious, you just can't rate that.

This is the real problem:
USA has a lot of sad nobodies.
why? because sad nobodies have children, and they turn their kids into sad nobodies.