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Everybody rank 9 and up except for woojoo*

Wait a second. Before taking any step, we should clarify who is considered pro and who is not. I say everybody level 9 and up.

Pros, I will never be considered a pro lol.

Hello. Lately, I have really been surprised. I was very surprised by what happened... Many players who used to play this game have retired, and I also miss some of them a lot. That's why I can't play without them. As for me, I might also retire one day

Jobber... same i am jobber also

Join the discord: https://discord.gg/qYMQxHZ6

we plan casual game scenarios on the discord
i have a job now so i can only play casual...
i need people to join so we can fill more games...

I remember the curiousity that rich and wide community and game styles such as 2011-2012 could invoke. So many different players and views, so many game styles. Every night to stay awake was well worth it.

I remember the small and well known community that late 2010s atwar used to be. I remember what a broken soul I had and how important it was to have that corner.

That being said, afterwind and atwar will only have meaning, and continue to exist only if we'd be wise to learn from what we enjoyed and were riviliged to experience. 1000 more eu+/wwi games would not change it, and no matter if we were called rats/cockroaches by the late time mods.

Despite all the jealously and the bad blood, after this game shuts down, remember that you still have that friend Roai, who remembers you and wishes all the best for you.

Általa írva Nero, 02.04.2025 at 18:54

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Holy shit is this actually Nero

But the fact that a former Mod says this speaks volumes of the problems AW is facing and faced. Dave, if its not clear by now, you can atleast start by unbanning those from the 2021 stuff. And probably Bugs too, I doubt he would cheat again. and besides, Pavle cheats and he is head supporter and unbanned, so I think its only fair.

Atwar has given me rushes I crave for to this day, playing cws for hours and carrying lategame, losing in incredible fashion (thanks tungston and others) or the rush of being someone who I've been trying to beat for months to years. Discussing strategy in this game is fun and incredibly captivating. Trolling low ranks is the equivalent to true happiness, training them is impossible but also a fun thing to try and do.

Helping people get premium, being toxic as hell, im sure most people have had similar experiences when they were low ranks getting dogged on but being able to talk to the vast community. it's been years but I literally remember hundreds maybe a thousand different players even from all the few but valuable years I was able to play. The past is far behind us but I know I',m not just feeling nostalgia, those were great times for not just me but for countless people.

It's easy to blame in hindsight but people move on and this game definitely suffered after people lost the thing that made this game so great : the people who were part of the diverse culture of atwar. Shameful to see this put on blast here and have to relive the sad state of affairs put together by all the players and mods, 99% of people know what the problem is, and I think personally only half or less of the blame can be put on the owner, But rather his advantageous sidekick who swayed him in the wrong direction. Much love to keeping the game running and forums accessible, and thanks to the original devs for designing this work of art.

Hi I am Nero

I have to post in this before it gets locked, and I'm surprised it hasn't been already. Like many others, this game was my childhood. Other kids had RuneScape or WoW, I had Afterwind. I have years of fond memories, and even served as a mod for a time.

With that out of the way, it speaks volumes alone that the forum is full of the same complaints over 3 years later. It also just so happens that that's about the only activity the forum really gets, maybe new players are put off by the hour loading time that has been present since day 1.

I remember Dave saying he bought the game because he loved it, he saw a future for it. That's why, instead of modernizing some features, he started an anti-toxicity crusade against some of the most established players. And what good did that do? Over 3 years later, the most activity this game gets is transient guests. And yet, here I am posting in a thread made by Waffel. Why would we come to post this after not playing for years? Because WE LOVE THE GAME TOO!

Maybe the administration and I have different views of community, but there has been no benefit to ANY community on this game. All I see now is a barren safe space for no one. People play games for fun, so when you ban or chase out the players having fun, no one will want to play. That's what happened to me, and I'm sure many others. And now that the toxic players and all their buddies are gone, you get no scenarios, no clan wars, no tournaments, and a dead forum. Just the fact that it took a thread from Waffel to revitalize the forums should tell you what you need to know.

I think it's time to admit that a few trolls aren't the worst thing about this game, and that a certain owner took poor advice. That scary toxic community is here years later wishing this game was playable, while the anti-toxicity crusaders have disappeared and left the game in shambles.

Általa írva Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:41

The only mistake I've made with atWar was actually caring TOO much about the community and what other people think. It caused me to waste too much time talking to people trying to make them see my position. Nobody cares. Waffel is the perfect example. I spent HOURS talking with that dude, listening to his concerns, telling him mine, and trying to reach understanding. Then he goes off and posts things which only show me that he absolutely did not understand anything I said. The lesson I've learned: people are gonna bitch no matter what. Nothing I say will change their minds. Just do what you need to do for the best interests of the game and ignore the noise.

You know what Dave, even after you've wiped off my account from this game and along with me many other accounts of players that spoke up, I ALWAYS remained respectful towards you and reached out to you (like many times before). I remained hopeful that we would be able to work things out and fix all of the mess that was created, if we were able to just speak to each other, for the sake of the game. Many of the players that got banned, like Mauzer, Jugers, osix, Laochra, and more, made fun of me at the time for being so naive and willing to talk with a stubborn guy like you, but I did anyways.

Up until now in my recent postings, I have refrained from mentioning certain people their names and actions and pointing out the things they did, but reading your post, and seeing how you're still trying to claim to be the reasonable guy in all of this and actually pretending to be the victim many years later, really leaves me speachless. So I guess from now on i'll be even more specific on certain matters, because apparently its YOU that did not understand any of the things I've posted on both my main as this account, when many people apparently did (just look at the comments above me).

You claim that you've spend hours talking with me, listening to my concerns, and trying to understand all of it, but that is just a blatant lie. After you've banned me I reached out to you within days (maybe even hours), trying to find out why on earth you decided to ban and delete the account of not just mine, but a lot of other players as well, and most importantly for something that you've allowed all of us to do: to freely share our mind, our opinons and discuss the matter I brought forth in those threads. I reached out to you on discord (after I had already reached out to you in game multiple times, prior to the ban), and wanted to talk to you about it, but it was you that wasn't available to talk, and we actually never talked ever again:

Screenshots of our (last and only conversation on discord):
- https://prnt.sc/ONEkPTaDcsNA
- https://prnt.sc/VdSyBrUM6bmy
- https://prnt.sc/9-Zwm1F6DyHc

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Before I go into further details of what happend in november 2021, I would like to point out what started all of this. Back in early 2021, somewhere in march, I got banned by Sid for calling him incompetent, something he had been called before by numerous of other players and mods (and even back then a lot of people and still to this day, agreed upon). After my ban a lot of people spoke out against it, claiming it to be harsh, saying that it was petty to ban someone for something like that, that he overstepped, that the game's regime started to get similarities with Chinese and Russian regimes (those same regimes you seemed to be against, but somehow enforce in your own game, which is kind of ironic). Sid was doing this not only to me, but to some other people as well, like Trystane, and people that also criticized him for certain actions and expressions about the whole Laochra-situation. You however, instead of taking the control over your own game and your staffteam, you created a precedent by allowing these kind of bans taking place, resulting in admins, mostly mods, and supporters abusing the powers they got and eliminating players left and right they had beef with in the past. Players like Kaska and Croat, players very well known for their own absurd amount of toxic behaviours, banning/muting people they disliked and had problems with, with unjustified reasonings and chatlogs from many years ago as reason. Not only did you allow this to happen, you even supported and defended it, making your close friends within the staffteam basically unvulnerable without any accountability whatsoever. This went on for months, and a lot of threads about the issue were brought up, but all got silenced, locked, deleted, people got muted in game, people got banned over stuff. This led to people leaving the game as well, because the game was starting to become a very dictator-ish run game, where not complying with the status-quo was almost reason enough to get banned/muted/silenced for.
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Before you decided to ban all of us and delete all our accounts, you and I did however talk in the game but not in a way you're describing here. We talked about a thread that I created at the start of november 2021 where I stated my concerns about the state of the game and certain regimes within the game and its staffteam as I mentioned before. The thread in question got locked/archived/deleted straight away by Sid (who else, of course?) when he noticed it, but at the time plenty of people had already upvoted, supported, and started the discussion. We talked about the things that had happened over the past months prior to that thread, and the state of the game and the problems it faced with the staffteam. I asked you to allow open dialogue, and at first you did. You allowed us to speak our mind and even unlocked/unarchived/undeleted the thread in question, you allowed people to share their displeasures and after a couple of days, when more people started to support it and the sentiment within the community started to grow, Sid however decided to lock/archive/delete the thread once again, claiming that the thread served it's purpose and dictated, once again, the subject and discussion of the matter. That's when the second thread got opened by Jugers, basically stating that we wanted to continue discussing the matter, as it wasn't done yet, it had barely even begun. You, once again, allowed open dialogue, and even more people started commenting on it, even your own moderators and supporters, most of it as response to the other thread being locked/deleted/archived, which only made more people within the community very angry. The thread received support from all over the community, allowed everyone to express their opinions and concerns without being afraid of getting banned/muted/lynched by members of the staffteam, as that's what was happening for months prior to the threads. I think as the days went by, Kaska, Croat and Sid all were mentioned by a lot of players, which eventually resulted in I think Kaska resigning under pressure and shortly after that Croat was considering to resign as well. Before Croat could do that, it got leaked that Croat was resigning, and it resulted in a very manic mentalbreakdown in both the forums and discords/external chats, which eventually led to the ''Thank you Croat'' video/comments, and you banning/deleting all of the players, because you got fed up with it.

Only a couple days after our conversation on discord (see screenshots above), I received screenshots of chats of you and Sid (and others) talking shit about all of us (the banned players), how we instigated this 'rebellion', how you never intend to let any of us back on to the game because of the public outcry it caused, how much trouble we caused for exposing the overly moderating that happened at the time, how much better the game would be with us out of the picture, because according to you (Sid, mostly), we were all the root problem of everything that was wrong with this game, and we were just a bunch of useless players to you whom had no constructive contribution to this game. You and Sid decided to delete all the threads, every comment, every topic, mute every player that even as much mentioned any of this, hoping that it would fade away like it never happened. However, that did not happen, quite the opposite happened.

Általa írva Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:41

If I had it to do over, I would have banned people faster and not wasted so much time explaining why. Activity was already declining before, and continued declining after.... banning a few toxic people who needed to go didn't do anything to change the course the game was already on. In other words: no great loss. The upshot: somewhat less moderation issues to have to deal with. The trade-off was and is worth it.

The banning and deleting of accounts led to a lot of important clans disbanding, leading to a lesser active competitive scene overall, which resulted in the current activity in this game we have right now. The fact that you even say something like this, really tells me how little you understand about this game and the core of this community (what's left of it anyways). Over the years you've claimed that the competitive community was never an important one anyways, you claimed that it was just a loud minority dictating things and that banning us would have no effect what so ever. Yet, even after all these years, with all the lousy updates, endless bugs, bad mechanics and strategies, lack of advertising, the restrictions that are put on new players/guest accounts, numerous of exploits from many players (even those within the staffteam themselves, and who seem to have influential positions within your staffteam, like head of supporters), most of the current active remaining players are mostly those from the competitive scene, which really should tell you something about the importance of a competitive community within a game. The fact that you mention the less moderation issues as a pro for banning people and that it was worth the trade-off, really shows me that you're either in a lot of denial of the consequences of your own actions or that you're willing to sacrifice a game, a community that's been thriving for over 15 years, and your own investments for personal beliefs and issues you or your friends may have or had with certain players that got banned. It looks to me that you've actually selfdestructed this game solely to please the complaints of some of the players that were/are close friends of you at the time, such as Croat, Kaska and Sid. All 3 of them were heavily criticised at the time by most of the players within the community as the biggest sources of problems with the staffteam and the community and a lot of people demanded resignation/demotion of all 3 of the players. You however was against all of that. And the thing that shocks me the most, is that you're even willing to promote one of them back into your staff/moderation team, after all the chaos and shit all 3 of them were involved with. And now two of those players are nowhere to be found after the mess they've created within the game, and yet here you are, still as stubborn as always claiming that you did nothing wrong and it's all our fault.

Not to mention that the players that you're refering to as ''no great loss'', were players that have contributed a shit ton on this game, into making this game a better place, some of them were well respected moderators and/or supporters within the game and played and supported this game for over 10 years, and yet you just toss them out like it's nothing. That says more about you as an owner and the way you look at your playerbase.

Általa írva Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:41

It does irritate me however when people say I "don't care" about atWar. It's easy for people to sit back and make accusations when they don't have the real life responsibilities to deal with like I do. I know better than to expect any sympathy or understanding from this community. But I do keep atWar running and deal with the emergencies when things break, no matter how busy I am with other things. Is that the act of someone who doesn't care?

I think it's really sad that even after all these years, with the declining and unhappy playerbase, the same threads and topics every year about the state of the game, the lack of players, lack of upgrades, lack of basically everything, unbanning people, it looks to me that we, the players that love(d) this game, apparently care more about the game than you do Dave. Because instead of realizing and accepting that the way you've been going for the last couple of years has been nothing but destructive for both the game and its community, you're actually saying that you regret not banning people faster and enforcing more strictness, which eventually led to the current state of this game.

Like I explained in my first post on this account, the whole reason this game lasted for so many years was not just because of the niche gameplay and mechanics, but it was because of a community-feel like atmosphere, that made you log in day after day, spending hours on here, something that you experienced as well in your early months in 2018/2019. Unfortunately you let bad influence cloud your judgement and forced certain things upon the community.

I really think you, as an entrepeneur/business man, should be able to know how to deal with constructive criticism and other opinions, instead of banning/deleting/muting anything you don't like, and tearing up a whole community because you or your friends didn't feel like fitting in.


It saddens me to see that after all this time being banned for no good reason and some of us still took their time to express their concerns and opinions about certains things within the game and its administration, because we actually care about this game and always have, you still seem to be this stubborn person that doesn't see anything wrong in his own actions and decisions and just keeps on blaming others for the current state of affairs. I think at some point you have to accept that maybe the game is better of with a new owner, or at least someone that understands, or tries to understand the way this game and it's community works.


Waffel

Általa írva Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:41

Általa írva Palmitas, 16.03.2025 at 18:42

I always said this: I believe that people change. People can sometimes see that they fucked up, and correct it. I believe Dave can change mistakes he did in the past.

As for profits, it is a very tough spot indeed, but you can increase activity by just unbanning people, its a no brainer to atleast start from that and give it a shot.

The only mistake I've made with atWar was actually caring TOO much about the community and what other people think. It caused me to waste too much time talking to people trying to make them see my position. Nobody cares. Waffel is the perfect example. I spent HOURS talking with that dude, listening to his concerns, telling him mine, and trying to reach understanding. Then he goes off and posts things which only show me that he absolutely did not understand anything I said. The lesson I've learned: people are gonna bitch no matter what. Nothing I say will change their minds. Just do what you need to do for the best interests of the game and ignore the noise.

If I had it to do over, I would have banned people faster and not wasted so much time explaining why. Activity was already declining before, and continued declining after.... banning a few toxic people who needed to go didn't do anything to change the course the game was already on. In other words: no great loss. The upshot: somewhat less moderation issues to have to deal with. The trade-off was and is worth it.

It does irritate me however when people say I "don't care" about atWar. It's easy for people to sit back and make accusations when they don't have the real life responsibilities to deal with like I do. I know better than to expect any sympathy or understanding from this community. But I do keep atWar running and deal with the emergencies when things break, no matter how busy I am with other things. Is that the act of someone who doesn't care?

Dave, do you mind spending few minutes to write your plans for this game and everything? Its means a lot to some of us to hear what is happening with this game and future plans for it? When i say future plans, i mean in this year. Thanks in advance.

Általa írva Lev Davidovic, 02.04.2025 at 11:14

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Its true, its pointless to talk with some people. As palm said its pointless to talk with SOME people, not all of them. If a bunch of people says they will play if some guy like Lion or whatever would be unbanned, whats the issue about it? Unbann and see what happens. People keep playing? Fine. They bother you? Bann them again. Indeed not much chatting-caring-hours needed.

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Általa írva Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:41

The only mistake I've made with atWar was actually caring TOO much about the community and what other people think. It caused me to waste too much time talking to people trying to make them see my position. Nobody cares. Waffel is the perfect example. I spent HOURS talking with that dude, listening to his concerns, telling him mine, and trying to reach understanding. Then he goes off and posts things which only show me that he absolutely did not understand anything I said. The lesson I've learned: people are gonna bitch no matter what. Nothing I say will change their minds. Just do what you need to do for the best interests of the game and ignore the noise.

If I had it to do over, I would have banned people faster and not wasted so much time explaining why. Activity was already declining before, and continued declining after.... banning a few toxic people who needed to go didn't do anything to change the course the game was already on. In other words: no great loss. The upshot: somewhat less moderation issues to have to deal with. The trade-off was and is worth it.

It does irritate me however when people say I "don't care" about atWar. It's easy for people to sit back and make accusations when they don't have the real life responsibilities to deal with like I do. I know better than to expect any sympathy or understanding from this community. But I do keep atWar running and deal with the emergencies when things break, no matter how busy I am with other things. Is that the act of someone who doesn't care?

Reacting to your message

Being a leader (of atwar in this case) will inevitably result in people lashing out at you occasionally, regardless of what you do. Trust me when I say that the players in here - who possess an IQ higher than 90 - are well aware of you caring about atwar and nurturing it throughout the years. They are also aware of what you've got right and wrong though, that's better to keep in mind.

It's good to see you finally admitting that community management is not your task. Let a community manager do it instead. Moderation is not your task either. Let moderators do it. If you meant "caring too much" in this sense, you are right.

Palm also said this... I will reiterate. Players are good at identifying problems, but horrible at solving them. Do not listen to anyone, put their feedbacks in a bag and conclude yourself what should be done. Polls sometimes don't work in your favor either because players don't know what they really want, they don't understand game development.


Comparing AW to other games

One thing is certain... atWar is not moving forward for a decade. Rome: Total War is a strategy game that had been released back in 2004, 21 years ago. It has 1000 players daily on steamcharts and a small but loyal fanbase/community playing it together and modding it ever since. This is similar to what you have in atWar with map makers and the competitive players. It is natural that every other kind of player abandoned this game (scenario players for instance).

The key difference is evidently that there's a new Total War game every 3 years or so in a continuous development cycle, which keeps hooking in more and more people, refreshing the core playerbase over time. In fact, the Total War games probably have a couple thousand people playing them world wide, not accounting for the hundreds of thousands who play around a new one's launch as newbies or game tourists. AtWar could easily have this too if it had bots, maybe a seasonal design (gameplay wise, not only CWs).


My suggestion which you may or may not ignore

I'm basically a nobody (to you) so I doubt you'd take my advice, but I'd still recommend you something in retrospect (perhaps does not matter anymore) -> focus on improving/developing the game itself, maybe even outsource that and focus on the management of it (depending on how much more money you'd like to throw at the game after all). Implement some of the suggestions that people keep pushing in a feedback format for years. Adding bots for instance - I know it is a huge challenge programming wise.

Let's say you take my advice and start implementing those things in your free time, or hire someone to do it. Well, the first question that comes to mind is... "OK, if I change so many things deeply embedded into the game for years, or add a lot of new crap, will the very few remaining players also leave?". The answer to that is very tricky. Most likely, yes, most of them will, but you also get the chance to push advertisements and experiment to get a higher retention rate. Alternatively, you could keep the existing IP and make atWar 2. That way, the core legacy playerbase (veterans) could stay here and enjoy the game until they (or you) see fit.


Current situation and the "atwar is dying" spam

Game development is not easy, at all. Especially when software associated with it keeps aging and aging... However, the stagnation we have right now is the absolute worst thing we can have. In the name of the few remaining players, please do something other than that, and keep us updated on what is happening (currently - for years - basically nothing).

People are complaining a lot lately that the game is dying, which is not true, but it's certainly not alive and thriving. It reached a point of stagnation where it slowly crawls towards abandonment. You can change that Dave. Only you. Sell atwar... make atwar 2... hire a dev and lock him up in a basement... get on a remote island in the pacific for a month and sell your soul coding 24/7 to improve the game... appoint waffel as the dictator of atwar with a pink shield as a late April's fools joke... just do something, we beg. A major shift in decision making is needed for the few of us and potentially future players.

So yes, most players don't actually mean the game is dying, they just feel that we are moving towards abandonment, because that's what is happening pretty much in front of our eyes. Even if you insist you'll keep it up and running, what's the point of that if you have 10 people remaining in the lobby and no games running? I also think you don't mean that seriously because it sounds kind of evil and disrespectful to let a game die, then keep it running blank, carrying it as a shield saying "see? I did not shut it down". I would love to think that you have more respect for us and yourself, only saying that as a PR stunt to calm us down among the atwar is dying spam.


About banning people... briefly

I honestly support both you and most other people in this thread. If a person severly breaks the guidelines of a platform, they should be banned. That's it.

On the other hand, I can also agree with Palm for example, that banning 10 veteran players in a game with ~100 active players daily is essentially like shooting yourself in the foot. You have to see that.

In reality, your opinion regarding those bans would be completely valid and I would support you in it, if the game was actually being gradually improved over time, aside from that.


Thanks for reading all that, in case you did.

I know very little about the past and i am very much not entitled to speak about what happened about the banned people and why. But, beeing active between 2020 and now, i can certainly point out that is foolish to ignore the correlation between all those banned people and the declining activity of the game (espetially competitive, and clearly the absence of competitive scene is logically related to the "less retention problem", even if that was already an issue it is clearly not helpfull banning expert people).

Its true, its pointless to talk with some people. As palm said its pointless to talk with SOME people, not all of them. If a bunch of people says they will play if some guy like Lion or whatever would be unbanned, whats the issue about it? Unbann and see what happens. People keep playing? Fine. They bother you? Bann them again. Indeed not much chatting-caring-hours needed.

As Hine said, we are just a bunch of guys willing to play a game we like, and this is all feedback for you man. I never spoke with you Dave, it is true, it is pointless to talk with some people, dont be one of those.

Általa írva El Serbio, 02.04.2025 at 09:29

I just wanna play again, is that too much to ask for? Dave, this is business, so please treat it like one.. Does Mark Zuckerberg care what people talk about him on facebook or instagram and goes to ban people? NO.. Its a fucking business and he should do things that will make him money, not argue with cockroaches on forums like an old grandma.. Who cares what we think and speak about you? Just do your best to make this business better. You get money, we get fun by playing our game, win-win, is that hard?

Would be true if only AtWar generated a good profits, not to even mention that has no community feedback, active development, team letters, active discord server with daily and seasonal events, Q&A, etc.
The list could go on, but I will keep it short.

I just wanna play again, is that too much to ask for? Dave, this is business, so please treat it like one.. Does Mark Zuckerberg care what people talk about him on facebook or instagram and goes to ban people? NO.. Its a fucking business and he should do things that will make him money, not argue with cockroaches on forums like an old grandma.. Who cares what we think and speak about you? Just do your best to make this business better. You get money, we get fun by playing our game, win-win, is that hard?

I don't care what Dave says now, I just want Lion unbanned, and by extension the rest of the players.

Általa írva Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:06

You know, if everyone who posted on this cry thread actually joined a game.....

Turns out we manage different timezones and shit. And we are also busy. I had to stop playing casual because I could not guarantee having time every 2 days to play my casual turns. Imagine.

Általa írva Dave, 01.04.2025 at 23:41

Általa írva Palmitas, 16.03.2025 at 18:42

I always said this: I believe that people change. People can sometimes see that they fucked up, and correct it. I believe Dave can change mistakes he did in the past.

As for profits, it is a very tough spot indeed, but you can increase activity by just unbanning people, its a no brainer to atleast start from that and give it a shot.

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Im gonna dissect your answer into parts.

"The only mistake I've made with atWar was actually caring TOO much about the community and what other people think." Thats truly debatable to be honest. I have seen people in Discord completly disagree with this, I do think you did care, until you didn't. Keep in mind im a 2019 player, and I remember that at one point you gave away 1 week premium to everyone because of server issues, I know you did in fact care, until you didn't.

"Waffel is the perfect example. I spent HOURS talking with that dude, listening to his concerns, telling him mine, and trying to reach understanding." There my friend, you did the mistake of listening to Waffel. He says 5% correct things 95% retarded stuff. It's not worth it to listen to every single person, you need to listen to the correct person.

"The lesson I've learned: people are gonna bitch no matter what. Nothing I say will change their minds. Just do what you need to do for the best interests of the game and ignore the noise." Some people yes, but putting all in the same box is stupid. Im gonna be honest to you, if Bugs is unbanned I doubt he would cheat again. did he cheat with the 10000 alts he made? he didn't. He just wants to keep playing the game. Keeping him banned is just affecting the activity of the competitive scene: which is probably annoying to you, I get it, we are annoying as fuck sometimes. But that is because we genuinely care about the game. Waffel is an idiot most times, and at this point he doesn't even wanna get unbanned, I know it. However, banning so many people was NOT in the interests of the game. So many people were banned that probably didn't need to be banned on that November 2021 fiasco, that it slowly killed competitive I still don't know why Trystane (Augustus Caesar) was banned. I will not get it. So many people deleted because they were angry that it makes you think. Mesopotamia and Alois were key people in the community and one was head supporter. Makes you think why they deleted aswell.
I was talking to my clanmate Tiger the other day, who is a newbie rank 8, and he told me "The only thing I want is for the game to be more active to be able to cw more" which pains me a lot because in 2019 there was daily cws. It was something normal that I was brought up into. Banning people WAS NOT in the best interests of the game. Banning some? sure. But there is nothing more pointless, as an example, than Osix's ban. He deserved some kind of punishment for being toxic? 1000%. But permaban is insane, considering the person that permabanned him was even more toxic than him. Also, just because people disagree with you doesn't mean you gotta ban them, Waffel could be shouting that he hates you, but imo, as someone that loves stuff like the American 1st amendment, as long as you are not being threateaned, I doubt you should ban them.

"If I had it to do over, I would have banned people faster and not wasted so much time explaining why. Activity was already declining before, and continued declining after.... banning a few toxic people who needed to go didn't do anything to change the course the game was already on. In other words: no great loss. The upshot: somewhat less moderation issues to have to deal with. The trade-off was and is worth it." That would be true if the people were being toxic as fuck, but most of them weren't. You didn't back down of something that basically killed comp, and because of that night in November 2021, the competitive scene is currently what it is. Let's not even start with the head supporter, that used a fucking range bug in a cw vs me, and was previously banned because of a rangebug (which, to be honest, should warrant a removal of the role, and is more deserving of a permaban than other people that YOU or the Admin team banned) Activity kept declining because of what? in Comp because you banned key people in the playerbase and most people deleted their accounts because of that. But, also besides that, WHY THE FUCK ARE THE TUTORIALS COMING SOON SINCE I HAVE MEMORY? Atwar's problem was always retention, you would think the best thing to work would be to try and retain more players, but nope, tutorials are still always coming soon. what a fucking dissapointment, not gonna lie. and there was a great loss, let's not lie to ourselves. Atleast from a comp perspective, that killed comp x3 faster than it would have. Also, always that you have less players the moderation will be less. it's retarded as fuck to say that was an upshot. "If less people vote, there are less votes to count" No shit sherlock.

"It does irritate me however when people say I "don't care" about atWar. It's easy for people to sit back and make accusations when they don't have the real life responsibilities to deal with like I do." Dave, I said this to you once, I'll say it again. IF YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO DEAL WITH ATWAR, SELL IT. The game is in a state of limbo because nothing happens. Everyone could agree to stop playing the game until you sell it and you prob wouldn't care. I also do not understand why don't you sell the game, considering it's surely in the red.

"I know better than to expect any sympathy or understanding from this community. But I do keep atWar running and deal with the emergencies when things break, no matter how busy I am with other things. Is that the act of someone who doesn't care?" David, thats the fucking minimum, thats what we expect from someone who is the owner, its the minimum thing that he should do. The fact that you even mention this is an embarrassment, I really need to say that.

In 2022 this topic by Waffel would have been insta-archived. What changed? Sascha is the only mod. No other mod is active. Lelouch is no longer active like he was 2 months ago, but even then he did no mod tasks. Dire doesn't even look in the forums, but I don't even know if he is active anymore, considering the current state of the game. Dave, I would seriously consider selling the game, Im not the right person to tell you this, sure. But the game is in the red and you don't have time to deal with it. That should be enough to guarantee a sale from your part. And most of the community at this point hates you, some say it and others don't. Im not trying to be a fucking idiot like Waffel, ok?

Also, you spent a lot of time in world map 2.0 just to result in a huge failure. Why? Maybe because... you need premium to make a game in world map 2.0. I'm not even joking. Make non-prems be able to make that map and put it a 150% sp increase and watch how everyone will play it.

Just my thoughts.

PS: Waffel's post has 26 likes. There is a reason for this. And let's not forget it took you 1 month to answer to this.

Általa írva Palmitas, 16.03.2025 at 18:42

I always said this: I believe that people change. People can sometimes see that they fucked up, and correct it. I believe Dave can change mistakes he did in the past.

As for profits, it is a very tough spot indeed, but you can increase activity by just unbanning people, its a no brainer to atleast start from that and give it a shot.

The only mistake I've made with atWar was actually caring TOO much about the community and what other people think. It caused me to waste too much time talking to people trying to make them see my position. Nobody cares. Waffel is the perfect example. I spent HOURS talking with that dude, listening to his concerns, telling him mine, and trying to reach understanding. Then he goes off and posts things which only show me that he absolutely did not understand anything I said. The lesson I've learned: people are gonna bitch no matter what. Nothing I say will change their minds. Just do what you need to do for the best interests of the game and ignore the noise.

If I had it to do over, I would have banned people faster and not wasted so much time explaining why. Activity was already declining before, and continued declining after.... banning a few toxic people who needed to go didn't do anything to change the course the game was already on. In other words: no great loss. The upshot: somewhat less moderation issues to have to deal with. The trade-off was and is worth it.

It does irritate me however when people say I "don't care" about atWar. It's easy for people to sit back and make accusations when they don't have the real life responsibilities to deal with like I do. I know better than to expect any sympathy or understanding from this community. But I do keep atWar running and deal with the emergencies when things break, no matter how busy I am with other things. Is that the act of someone who doesn't care?

Általa írva b2spirit, 17.03.2025 at 00:15

When the fuck are you going to fix map editor

Nice necropost

Still good years later, well done

You know, if everyone who posted on this cry thread actually joined a game.....

Hello! Some of you may have noticed that I've been running new Empires 1800s scenarios again. And I wanted there to be a bit of a guide written out so people have a decent idea of what each civilization has access to. To help choose strategies and make your civilization/unit choices.

This scenario is one with 11 different civilizations, each with unique bonuses, where each player is bordered by multiple others and may have only a single ally. Starting Turn 2, all Civ's Capitals will have a Capital Building placed in its midst, which constitutes a powerful defense that prevents early-capture. Field Guns, or a good bulk of Attack Units, are necessary to bring them down.

Cavelry
Cavs work the same way Tanks do in modern maps. However, there are other Cavelry-type units with other names. Cosacks, Cataphract Lancers, Cuirassiers, etc. Any special units that are designated as "anti-cavalry" in their bio will have bonuses against ALL of them.

Infantry
Infantry works the same way they do in modern maps. However, there is a double-meaning when it comes to bonus defense/attack. ALL units in the game that walk and shoot (militia, Prussian Infantry, Chu Ko Nu, Minute Men, Guerilla Fighters, etc.) are considered "infantry." Special units that are designated as "anti-infantry" in their bio will have bonuses against all of them.

Guerilla Fighter
These are this game's equivalent to Marines. Same stats, same cost. General Stealth Unit.

Frigates and Man-O-War
These are this game's equivalents to the two typical naval attack units.

Howitzers
Howitzers are both a Defensive and Offensive Anti-Infantry unit, sporting a solid 6 ATK and 6 DEF. They gain +2 ATK against all Infantry units, making them equal to Cavs when attacking. And they gain +6 DEF against Infantry. In terms of cost-efficiency, they are in many ways a unit that can attack like Cavs and defend like Infantry (or better). Their downside, of course, is their slow movement range and inability to take cities. Howitzers can get sniped before reaching their targets and have to be used intelligently.

Fortifications
Fortifications are expensive, but powerful, defensive units that tout high HP, high DEF, and have additional defensive bonuses against most standard Cav and Infantry units. Making Naval Vessels and Cannons more cost-effective against them.

Field Guns
Field Guns are a high-attack unit that shares the Howitzer's slow movement speed. They are stronger than Cavs, but in most cases not enough to be cost-efficient. Where they excell is their significant Attack Bonus against Fortifications. Generally, assuming no crits from the Fortification, two tend to be enough to bring one down.

These are your general units, Militia notwithstanding, that are accessible to all areas. But there are many other Special Units unique to certain civilizations. As well as Events. Below I will be describing each Civ's benefits.



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BRITISH EMPIRE

The British Empire is a powerful force across the map. Starting the game with more funds than any other civilization, and with significant holdings in the Americas and India. They have many options, however their wealthy start to the game only serves to offset the economic drain that comes from managing the defense of three different regions. Most players with the least luck are those that invest too much into dying colonies and go bankrupt. However, proper management and a clever selection of your ally can put the British Empire quickly into the position of 'the one to beat.'

The British Empire's Ultimate Unit appears on Turn 2, and it is the HMS Caledonia. The HMS Caledonia is a transport vessel that can hold up to 10 Units. It sports an attack of 5, and a whopping Defense of 25. Additionally, it gains 5 more defense against other Naval Units. Making it both a great defensive blockade unit, or a great Landing Unit that secures the city you landed units in to take when they push out into enemy lands. It's got a high Move Range and 12 HP, making it the toughest Transport Vessel in the game. However, you cannot build these and you will never get another one. Use it wisely.

The British Empire, beginning Turn 3, gain a General in the Americas - their Native American ally Tucemseh. Tucemseh is a general unit with the added bonus of being a Stealth Unit, making it hard to pin down and kill. Alongside Tucemseh, they gain a Peace Envoy necessary to take the Shawnee Nation and begin to produce Native troops in the area. Archers - a weaker but cheaper stealth unit compared to Guerilla Fighters, and Mounted Natives - which have 1 less ATK,DEF, and HP than other Cavs, but +3 Movement Speed.

The British Empire's Unique Unit is the Royal Navy Ship Of The Line. Which, while costly to build, and slower than other Naval Units, are the most powerful buildable Naval Unit in the game. Additionally, they have +5 Defense and +2 Attack against other Naval Units, making them the menace of the sea. They also have +2 Attack on Fortifications, making them a good choice against shoreline Fortifications.

Finally, British have Reinforcements on Turn 8. A number of Indian Constripts appearing in several groups of 6 around the map in all of their holdings. Indian Conscripts are essentially Infantry with -1 Defense, but possessing the Move Range of Cavelry. Allowing you to quickly move them to bolster a city's defense.



FIRST FRENCH EMPIRE

The First French Empire is an interesting civilization, posessing some of the strongest units in the game but also finding themselves in a difficult location to defend their capital. Germania, Britain, and Spain, on their immediate borders - with Ottomans not far off. The're among the wealthier starting nations, but far from the wealthiest.

The French Empire's Ultimate Unit is the French Engine, which appears on Turn 2 alongside 10 free Infantry. The French Engine is a powerful defensive transport, with 20HP, 10DEF, and 3 Attack. It can carry up to 14 Infantry quickly around the map, moving 50% faster than Cavalry.

The French Empire has two Unique Units.
- First, instead of the general Cavalry Unit, they can make Cuirassiers. They cost the same as Cavalry do for all other civs, but have +1 Attack, +3 Crit Chance, and +1 Range. Making them the ultimate Main Attack Unit in the game.
- Second, they have the Montigny Mitrailleuse, a slow-moving volley gun that sports 3ATK, 7DEF, and a whopping 13 Critical Chance. This unit has a significant Defensive Bonus [+6] against all Infantry Units, except for those with Stealth in which case the bonus is [+4]. This combination of Special Units puts the French into a position where they can devour enemy infantry. Both with their hard-hitting cavs and their infantry-annihilating defensive guns.

The French Empire gets reinforcements on Turn 6. Where a General [Napoleon Bonaparte] appears next to 20 Units labeled "Napoleon's Army." Napoleon's Army is Ground: Main Attack, meaning they benefit (or depreciate) based on Strategies that strengthen or weaken Ground: Main Attack Units. These units sport 7 ATK/DEF, and a 13 Move Range. Which allows them to quickly be moved with Napoleon to a defensive or offensive position. However, these units are a one-off and once dead will not come back.

Due to their Cuirassiers and economically productive cities, France is an incredibly important region to control if you want to win the game. If France manages to take over a significant portion of Europe, the chances of them losing becomes small. On the other hand, if any other Civ in Europe conquers France, their chance of victory becomes just as likely.



SPANISH EMPIRE

Spain begins the game with more map control than anyone else, however the vast majority of that control is in the Americas far from their capital. Which is, arguably, the least defensible capital in Europe. Among the 11 Civs, Spain begins the game with the 3rd smallest starting funds - but has more city-based income than any other.

The Spanish Empire's Ultimate Unit is the Spanish Cog, two of which appear in Turn 2. The Spanish Cog is a Transport Vessel with 4DEF/5ATK, making it more defensible than your standard Transport Ship. But that's not where it truly shines. The Spanish Cog can carry up to 25 Units, and has 16 Move Range - 3 more than your typical Transport Ship. Making it the fastest ship in the entire game.The Spanish Cog can move an enormous mass of units swiftly across seas and oceans. However, you only get two, and they cannot be replaced.

The Spanish Empire's Unique Unit is the War Dog. A Stealth Unit that is weaker than Guerilla Fighters, but much faster. and with double the Crit Chance. Additionally, they gain a Defensive Bonus against other Stealth Units like Guerilla Fighters and Archers, being capable of sniffing them out.

The Spanish Empire does not get Reinforcements.



PORTUGUESE EMPIRE

Portugal begins the game with an incredible economy, but their Capital is direly exposed. Fortunately, their unique units make up for that issue.

Portugal does not have an Ultimate Unit, and is the only civ in the game to lack some special one-time unit at the start of the game. However, its unique unit is phenomenal.

Portugal's Unique Unit is the Organ Gun. The Organ Gun is much like the French Montigny Mitrailleuse, but with 1 less Defense, 5 less CRIT chance, 1 more Hit Point, and 1 more Move Range. Aside from these differences, it has one other major difference: It is not only an anti-infantry unit, but also an anti-cavalry unit. Gaining a whopping +6 against all Cav and Infantry type units. Though it does takes a -2 DEF deficit against all cannons and Naval Attack, it can mass-demolish the general units you would usually expect someone to attack you with.

Portugal starts the game with some Organ Guns on the map at key points, and a free Man-O-War, but does not get Reinforcements through the game.



GERMANY & PRUSSIA

Germany begins the game with the least funds, but two advantages: A significant economy and a small radious to defend with all of their units. Their income is equal to the Ottomans, despite the Ottomans controlling significantly more mass.
Germany has 15 Countries, Ottomans have 29. And yet, the same income. Showing how much more valuable Germany's cities are on average. They are an imposing force in Eastern Europe.

Germany's Ultimate Unit is the Wunderwaffe, three of which spawn on Turn 2. These are extremely slow-moving Defensive Cannons with 10DEF, 10CRIT, and bonuses against all cannon-type units.

Germany has two Unique Units:
- First, in the Prussian portions of their reign, they have Prussian Infantry. Prussian Infantry are the same as the standard Infantry unit, except they have +1ATK/DEF and Move Speed. They are to Infantry what the French Cuirassaiers are to Cavalry. And as a Ground: Main Defense unit, they gain any benefits from Stategies that invest in Ground: Main Defense.
- Secondly, in Austria and Hungary, they can produce War Wagons. War Wagons are an anti-Cavalry Cavalry unit. They are well-rounded, and compared to Cavalry have: -2ATK, -1RNG, +2HP, +2DEF. They also gain +4 DEF and +2ATK against Cavs, and can transport up to 4 Militia. War Wagons are a good way to counter enemies that rely entirely on Cavalry, and they're also a decent way to move your Trash Units (militia) around to places where they're more useful as a buffer.

Germany has Reinforcements on Turn 3, where 12 free War Wagons will spawn in Prussia. This is the earliest Reinforcements in Europe, giving them a slight jump. But it's also one of the smallest Reinforcements.



RUSSIAN EMPIRE

Russia is a powerhouse with significant control of the map, but a smaller economy than most others. They start with the third-least funds out of all civs, and their income-to-city ratio is on the lower end. However, they have access to some incredible advantages that overcome that disadvantage.

Russia has two Ultimate Units: The Tsar Ship, and the Howitzer Wagon.
-The Tsar Ship, which appears outside Saint Petersberg on Turn 2. It has a fair amount of ATK/DEF, and high HP. But it's important role is its ability to move up to 4 Tsar Cannons. You only get one Tsar Ship.
- The Howitzer Wagon, five of which appear, in Turn 2. These Wagons have a fair amount of bulk themselves, and can carry up to 4 Howitzers a piece. Allowing you to make use of the Howitzer's superiority as a unit without worrying about its slow speed. Your Howitzer Wagons spawn each half-filled with free Howitzers, ten in total, with the capacity to carry another ten should you invest in making them. If stacked together, the five fully-manned Howitzer Wagons constitute a devastating line-breaking Death Ball right off the bat at the start of the game. However, once your Wagons are destroyed, you will not get anymore.

Russia has two Unique Units: The Tsar Cannon, and the Cossack.
- The Tsar Cannon is a super-cannon that moves slowly, even more slowly than Field Guns, but is considerably more powerful. With +1ATK, +5DEF, +8CRIT copared to Field Guns. It shares the Field Gun's +2 Attack Bonus against Infantry, but expands on the Field Gun's Bonus against Fortifications by 5 additional ATK. It also has greater Defensive Bonuses than Field Guns against Infantry. However, it is costly, and extremely slow. The Tsar Ship is the only workaround for its speed.
- The Cosack is a Cavalry Unit with half the ATK (4) and half the DEF (2) as normal Cavalry. Though they are half the strength of Cavalry, they are one-third the cost. Making them arguably the most cost-efficient unit in the game. Even if Russia's economy dwindles, the Cosack gives them a fast-moving offense at a cheap price. For example, if you were going to invest $720 into Cavalry, you'd get 6. A stack of 48ATK/24DEF. If you invest the same amount into Cossacks, you'd get 16. A stack of 64ATK/32DEF. They are individually extremely weak, but can be a cost-effective way to surprise an enemy and/or intimidate them with numbers.

Russia has reinforcements immediately, on Turn 2. Some free Cosacks, Scout Cavalry, and most importantly: Howitzer Wagons and Howitzers. They also get additional Reinforcements on Turn 5 - a few cannons and stealth units - deep in Ottoman territory. But be wary, the Ottomans get the same in your territory on the same turn.



PERSIAN EMPIRE

The Persian Empire is, without a doubt, the weakest civilization in terms of starting holdings and economy. However, they are also the civ with the greatest starting funds and have the most Reinforcements.

The Persian Ultimate Unit is a General [Abbas Mirza] with a 100% Crit Chance and 18HP, who spawns in with 15 Cataphract Lancers, 2 War Wagons, 3 Cossacks, and 6 Scout Cavalry.

The Persian Unique Unit is the Cataphract Lancer, a Cavalry Unit that costs the same as regular Cavs, but has -1ATK and -1DEF, with +3CRIT. The Cataphract Lancer is an Anti-Infantry unit, which gains +3ATK/+1DEF against all Infantry units. Making them more cost-effective against your standard city defenses (militia/infantry) than regular Cavalry. Especially when it comes to taking the few neutral areas of the map.

The Persians gain additional reinforcements on Turn 3, which consists of nine free Cataphract Lancers.

And, the latest (and by far biggest) cluster of Reinforcements in the game, on Turn 12, Persians get a second general - the Persian Warlord - who is accompanied by a significant free Army consisting of 40 Cataphract Lancers, 40 Infantry, and 8 Cossacks. They also gain 5 free Frigates.



OTTOMAN EMPIRE

The Ottoman Empire is arguably the most powerful individual civilization, starting with a decent economy, massive map control, and a large amount of starting units. However, this is paired with numerous disadvantages: Their status in the center of the map makes them a desirable target for numerous enemies, of whom they immediately have 4 bordering them. They have a wide range to defend, and usually find themselves facing multiple opponents at once.

The Ottoman Empire's Ultimate Unit is the Bombard Train, two of which appear on Turn 2 accompanied by 4 Great Bombards. Bombard Trains are a high-defense, high-HP unit capable of offsetting the Great Bombard's slow speed and carry them across the map. They can carry up to 3 great Bombards.

The Ottoman Empire has 2 Unique Units:
- The Great Bombard, which is the Ottoman equivalent to the Tsar Cannon. But, it is even more powerful (and slightly more costly) than the Tsar Cannon. It is a devastating cannon when used against Infantry and Fortifications, but slow moving and costly. These are incredible units which, if used intelligently, can carve through enemy lines or massively soften up your enemy's grand stacks of troops.
- The Bombard Ship, an expensive Naval Vessel with only 1ATK but rocking 18DEF. It can carry up to 3 Great Bombards.

The Ottoman Empire gets a small band of Reinforcements on Turn 5, a few cannons and stealth units in Russia's territory. But be wary, Russia gets the same in yours.



THE QING DYNASTY

The Qing Dynasty is in a unique position. They do not have any immediate threats besides Japan. And they have considerable map control, economy and units. On the downside, they have the second-lowest starting funds and little-to-no help in the form of free units.

The Qing Dynasty's Ultimate Unit is the Nest of Bees, three of which spawn on Turn 2. They are a slow-moving artillery unit that has a massive (+15) Defensive bonus against Cavalry.

The Qing Dynasty has two Unique Units: The Chu Ko Nu, and War Wagon.
- The Chu Ko Nu can be created anywhere in China, and has the same stats as your general Infantry but has a lower CRIT chance and costs 15 more. However, it is an Anti-Infantry Infantry unit, which gets +2 Defense and +3 Attack against all infantry. The Chu Ko Nu isn't great against Cavs, but is superior to infantry if you're seeking an offense/defense duo-unit. It is also Ground: Main Defense and thus benefits from Strategies that boost such units.
- The War Wagon can be created only in Korea, it is the same unit that Germans can make in Hungary and Austria. (Described above)

The Qing Dynasty begins the game with a few Chu Ko Nu accompanying their Nests of Bees, as well as a few Chu Ko Nu on their far border. But they do not get additional Reinforcements through the game.

The Qing Dynasty and Imperial Japan have fought one another in every game I've run, though the option to ally is availible if they both wish to use their sole alliance on eachother. Because of this tendency for them to have a direct fight, with no one around to interfere, they have undergone heavy balance checks to put them on even grounds with eachother. In the early testing games (many years ago) China would dominate Japan. However, they currently appear to be beating eachother roughly 50% of the time. Meaning that the choice of strategy, and the players' skills and decisions, play a huge role in who wins. In the most recent game as of writing this, the two maintained similar troop counts as they rose and fell for ten turns, during which Japan took China's capital, almost held it long enough to win, lost it, and has since lost its capital to China. A fight between these two is a close one, but whoever wins controls most of Asia unopposed, while the Western world continues to fight one another. I imagine an alliance between the two would be quite powerful, however. If it ever happens.



IMPERIAL JAPAN

Imperial Japan has the least amount of territory in terms of landmass as any civ. But, they also have the second-most starting funds to compensate for this. Additionally, they have a number of islands across the Pacific which gives them Pacific Dominance, as well as Naval Blockades that make it harder for China to Blitz their capital immediately.

Imperial Japan's Ultimate Unit is the Fusa-Sen, a slow but grand Naval Blockade Vessel sporting 5ATK, 20DEF, 20HP, and the capacity to transport up to 6 Flaming Ballista. They begin the game with three of these monsters.

Imperial Japan's Unique Unit is the Flaming Ballista, an Artillery unit that specializes in Anti-Naval Defense. They're slow moving, with 5ATK and 7DEF. But they gain +5DEF against all Naval Attack Units. Making them match Man-O-Wars 1-to-1 at half the cost. And being an Island Civ, this unit makes frustrating a landing on their shores that much easier.

Imperial Japan begins the game with a few war ships, and a few Flaming Ballistas, that show up when their Fusa-Sen do. But get no additional Reinforcements through the game.



UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

The US is also in a unique situation. Bordered by Britain and Spain, but far from anyone else's capital and thus far from anyone's immediate concern. The US has clear dominance over Britain in the region, and while they appear weaker than Spain have a number of advantages that give them a potential edge if the two don't ally.

The United States gets two Ultimate Units, both of them are Generals with high HP and a 100% Crit Rate. The first, Winfield Scott, appears with numerous Infantry around him on Turn 2. The second, Major Ridge, appears on Turn 3 alongside some Native American units and a Cherokee Peace Envoy which is necessary to take the Charokee Nation, which provides them access to Archers and Mounted Natives [Both described in the British Empire section.] Having two Generals right off the bat gives them a lot of options militaristically going forward. The only other civs with a General are France and Persia. France doesn't get theirs until Turn 6, and Persia doesn't get their second General until Turn 12. Giving USA a jump in that regard.

The United States' Unique Unit is the Minute Men, which is equal to Militia in every way - except they have +5 CRIT chance, +2 Move Range, and only cost 10 to build them. Effectively allowing USA to build "Ground: Secondary Defense" units at 1/3rd the cost as anyone else - and move them twice as fast. Strategies that benefit Ground: Secondary Defense can massively benefit Americans.

The United States' get Reinforcements on Turn 3. Alongside their second General, comes 10 Archers and 5 Mounted Natives. Along their coastline they also get 5 Canoes (basically the equivalent of a Submarine, only buildable in a few places on the Map) which can transport up to 4Archers.) As well as 20 Archers readily positioned to be placed inside them. This allows USA to have 5 Canoes filled with archers stealthily patrolling the Atlantic right at the start of the game. If USA takes the Red Sticks from the British, they can thereafter build more canoes.


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And there you have it, a breakdown of every civilization in my Scenario. Hopefully this can be useful to you if you're about to - or already - playing it. To use as a reference when fighting someone else. I plan to routinely start new games in Casual, so keep an eye out!

It's definitely an issue with a lot of Scenarios. I edited my 'Empires: 1800s' scenario to make all T1 events on T2, to prevent anyone from missing out. Then, I usually just use Turn 1 for getting people to fill out the game.

Major Rhun-Rhovanion frontlines update

Ever been stabbed?

This is true, for example carthage didnt get 150 unit event in rome political so he left a few days ago, while my pick got it from t1. many maps same issue, ww1 casual too

Casual Saturday #33 - Medieval Europe 1150
Standard Settings - 20 Players
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