German Coalition of Afterwind (off-topic part)

This is a topic for discussions about the German Coalition of Afterwind (and Germany's political situation in general, I suppose...)

Why is there no german cln of afterwind? only topic about it...

Általa írva Caulerpa, 20.12.2011 at 10:12

Why is there no german cln of afterwind? only topic about it...

Because the topic is about if it should be created.

Általa írva Cardinal Ouellet, 20.12.2011 at 09:03

Probably not the fourth reich because of the past history...... but a german name or only translate german coalition in your language.

Germany it's time for you to stop being neutral on everything in the diplomatic world because of WW2. Because of this "no position let's stay neutral" Europe position in international relationship is only defended by France. It's the only major country in the european union that is currently having an independant and active position. Germany if you want to change the world and have an impact outside of Europe it's the time to end this post WW2 complex that you have.

But you have to do it soon, now your opinion is important but it will constantly decrese because of your population demography......As soon as 2030 both UK and France will have much more population than you. While UK will increase a lot because of an high immigration 2/3 of teh increase and a good fertility rate 1/3 of teh increse, France make the same but with a more normal trend (2/3 natural increase 1/3 immigration), you Germany are goign down, down and down you have to take your place in the international sphere and not only in Europe now!

Since the Suez crisis only one major country in the europe (excludin russia) was holding an independant position France. Since the end of the Soviet Union, France independance in teh international sphere is in bad posture because that a strong russia(URSS) was perfect for France independant and more neutral position. One time since this collapse Germany stand up and say something in the international relationship it was for the war in Iraq. France, Germany and Russia finally achieved de Gaulle dream and stand up all together to stop the UN invasion of Iraq. This was a major success only the american and there puppet was involved in the Iraq war. Even Canada was not going to war in Iraq because of Quebec protestation to thsi war.

After this? nothing major for Germany in internation relationship, France elected an pro-american president and Russiawas standign alone against the american.

Soon France will kick Sarkozy out and elect probably the candidate of the socialist party, it will be time for Germany to stand up and to claim is role in the international sphere. And to form a major continental bloc with France and Russia. These 3 together are the only solution to the american imperialism. China will never end the american dominant position. But an alliance with the feared russia, the industrial and economic power of Germany exercing a huge influence in european eastern country and France with the best european army, the future power of Europe in 2050, probably the most neutral of the 5 VETO at the UN, a neutral position in the palestine situation and holding great strategic position throughout the world including his major relationship with africa(The futur demographic giant).

This 3 together can finally put an end to the american monopole! They only need Germany to wake up, France to elect a socialist candidate and Russia will always be happy to find good ally in the current world. Seriously Germany stop this post world war 2 complex and start to increase your international relationship on important issue.

The world need a good counter to the american dominance. The best counter is a solid alliance of European major powers! Not including the american troyan horse that are UK, Italy and Spain!

No need to add anything, I'd say.


What the heck, I'll do anyways.

You're right, Germany still is traumatized. But, contrary to what you introduced your post with (well, not that contrary actually), you sound as if you were summoning Germany to rise again. To "quit the diplomatic shit", to stop being neutral. To let arms (yes, I mean both types of arms) do the work that is currently done by mouths.
That is (fortunately) not happening currently, as it would lead to WW3 and, in case Germany has some lunatic leader again, a repetition of the endings of the last two world wars. Just with more dead people and less habitable places on Earth left.

YOU DON'T REALLY WANT THAT, RIGHT?

Általa írva Cardinal Ouellet, 20.12.2011 at 09:18

Yes, but that is for now! The futur of Germany is killed by the demorgraphic situation! And i told you tha in Euroep you have power now it's time to wake up in international relationship not european relationship.

Yoru picture is probably exagerating a little XD After Germany, France is the second major power to hold the EURO.
Woudl have been more accurate with Germany and France holding together the PIGS. Maybe give Sarkozy only one hand or a weak Sarkozy?=)

Általa írva Cardinal Ouellet, 20.12.2011 at 09:18

Yoru picture is probably exagerating a little XD

No, it's not.

Általa írva Cardinal Ouellet, 20.12.2011 at 09:18

Woudl have been more accurate with Germany and France holding together the PIGS. Maybe give Sarkozy only one hand or a weak Sarkozy?=)

Maybe. There ARE many European countries more endangered than France. But the point of the picture is that Germany sustains them. And will do that with France as well, as soon as it becomes necessary.

Általa írva Cardinal Ouellet, 20.12.2011 at 09:18

Yes, but that is for now! The futur of Germany is killed by the demorgraphic situation! And i told you tha in Euroep you have power now it's time to wake up in international relationship not european relationship.

Fighting in Afghanistan, trading with the world; might be minor compared with saving Europe, but Germany is doing ALL of that.

(P.S.: These are just examples of how Germany IS involved in international politics, I'm not saying I support Afghanistan (like most Germans, I don't) )

Általa írva Cardinal Ouellet, 20.12.2011 at 09:53

* Fighting in aghanistan: It's only show that like every western nation you can't get independance in international relation ship, and its not something to glorify. (Germany stand up a few years later for Iraq with france and russia and that was great)
*For the trading with the world: again nothing special here even north korea and Cuba trade with the world........
*I never talk of arming Germany like for WW2, yea germans don't want to militarize there country and i respect this but they can at least give there opinion in the world and try to get what they want by "softpower". Germany in the kind of alliance that i'm talkign about don't need to have a huge army, Russia have the quantity and France the quality and technology to help Russia. They only need Germany economic power=)

But now end of this off-topic Germany is great i simply wish that they end this post WW2 mentality before that there demographic situation destroy all opportunity.

Good luck for yoru coalition=)

Általa írva Cardinal Ouellet, 20.12.2011 at 09:53

* Fighting in aghanistan: It's only show that like every western nation you can't get independance in international relation ship, and its not something to glorify. (Germany stand up a few years later for Iraq with france and russia and that was great)

Mentioning Afghanistan as an example of international politics can hardly count as glorification.

Általa írva Cardinal Ouellet, 20.12.2011 at 09:53

*For the trading with the world: again nothing special here even north korea and Cuba trade with the world........

But not at Germany's scale.

Általa írva Cardinal Ouellet, 20.12.2011 at 09:53

*I never talk of arming Germany like for WW2, yea germans don't want to militarize there country and i respect this but they can at least give there opinion in the world and try to get what they want by "softpower". Germany in the kind of alliance that i'm talkign about don't need to have a huge army, Russia have the quantity and France the quality and technology to help Russia. They only need Germany economic power=)

I think they are already doing that, but I agree that there could be done more, even in diplomacy.

Általa írva Cardinal Ouellet, 20.12.2011 at 09:53

Good luck for yoru coalition=)

Thanks. (^_^)

Thx Juba !

I started the normal Thread in German, because the Coalition is for German or Germanspeaking Gamer.
The most Germanspeaking Gamer, want write in his origin langue and my English is not the best too, soo i opened this thread in german.

Please call your coalition the Fourth Reich.

/Serious.

Általa írva YOBA, 12.02.2012 at 12:55

...but seriously, it's been 3 months now and no coalition. SRB and more widely the coalition system is waiting.

Gut Ding will Weile haben. Plus, we spent most of that time on waiting for people to be active enough to help with the creation.
But we're working on it, don't worry.

How hard is it anyway? All you need to do is leave Dalmati, wait 3 days and create it. You have the full package afterall. Same goes for learster--though he isn't even in any coalition so he can make it immediately. Then he can name officers and all will be swell.

You already have at least 5 certified members, you're good to go I'd say.

Don't worry. within the next week we will have a german coalition. i promise

Általa írva YOBA, 12.02.2012 at 14:48

How hard is it anyway? All you need to do is leave Dalmati, wait 3 days and create it. You have the full package afterall. Same goes for learster--though he isn't even in any coalition so he can make it immediately. Then he can name officers and all will be swell.

You already have at least 5 certified members, you're good to go I'd say.

First, we wanted to be sure there's enough demand. And since we want to start a German-speaking community instead of just another coalition, things like the name are an issue; people should be able to relate to it.
Also, the coalition itself is not the main point of interest, it's merely the visible counterpart of our community. This means there never was a huge pressure to actually create it.

But don't worry about it, we'll found the coalition eventually. Safari even set an exact time.

http://afterwind.com/cln/cln.php?cln_id=102