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30.04.2016 - 16:17
I just want to inform Mystics, Enigma, Epic Clan and Element that i will be inactive from now on, as much as i'm trying to stay active and play minimum 1h a day i find it very hard due to my job, it takes much of my time and when i find free time to play i am very tired and not in the mood to train members, create endless private tws and 3v3.

I made this topic public for others to see and maybe if they are interested they can take part in it. I want your opinion on this matter and what to do. Maybe promote active experienced player(s) who is willing to teach recruits? I would appreciate to have an assistant, helper who can recruit and train members. Other option would be send recruits to clans willing to accept them and train them there by clan leaders,.

Stalin Martians don't participate in the project but they contact The Corleones members to recruit in private without informing me.



Just to inform the readers:
I have an agreement with clans mentioned above to provide them with recruits from my training clan and provide my members with good clans they can go to learn advanced tactics and participate in high ranking competitive clan wars.

Please leave your opinion below as it would be bad to shut down this project, because although not many people play this game, and not many are interested in clan wars, it would be waste to leave interested players in the mercy of RP.
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30.04.2016 - 16:59
Általa írva Skanderbeg, 30.04.2016 at 16:17

I just want to inform Mystics, Enigma, Epic Clan and Element that i will be inactive from now on, as much as i'm trying to stay active and play minimum 1h a day i find it very hard due to my job, it takes much of my time and when i find free time to play i am very tired and not in the mood to train members, create endless private tws and 3v3.

I made this topic public for others to see and maybe if they are interested they can take part in it. I want your opinion on this matter and what to do. Maybe promote active experienced player(s) who is willing to teach recruits? I would appreciate to have an assistant, helper who can recruit and train members. Other option would be send recruits to clans willing to accept them and train them there by clan leaders,.

Stalin Martians don't participate in the project but they contact The Corleones members to recruit in private without informing me.



Just to inform the readers:
I have an agreement with clans mentioned above to provide them with recruits from my training clan and provide my members with good clans they can go to learn advanced tactics and participate in high ranking competitive clan wars.

Please leave your opinion below as it would be bad to shut down this project, because although not many people play this game, and not many are interested in clan wars, it would be waste to leave interested players in the mercy of RP.

I dont really remember Sm ever recruiting members without your knowing. Could you clarify?
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30.04.2016 - 17:32
Általa írva Skanderbeg, 30.04.2016 at 16:17

I just want to inform Mystics, Enigma, Epic Clan and Element that i will be inactive from now on, as much as i'm trying to stay active and play minimum 1h a day i find it very hard due to my job, it takes much of my time and when i find free time to play i am very tired and not in the mood to train members, create endless private tws and 3v3.

I made this topic public for others to see and maybe if they are interested they can take part in it. I want your opinion on this matter and what to do. Maybe promote active experienced player(s) who is willing to teach recruits? I would appreciate to have an assistant, helper who can recruit and train members. Other option would be send recruits to clans willing to accept them and train them there by clan leaders,.

Stalin Martians don't participate in the project but they contact The Corleones members to recruit in private without informing me.



Just to inform the readers:
I have an agreement with clans mentioned above to provide them with recruits from my training clan and provide my members with good clans they can go to learn advanced tactics and participate in high ranking competitive clan wars.

Please leave your opinion below as it would be bad to shut down this project, because although not many people play this game, and not many are interested in clan wars, it would be waste to leave interested players in the mercy of RP.


Rather than public mudslinging why did you not try speaking with us? Judging by the proposal you sent to bonker which was subsequently posted in our clanforum, your clan exists to introduce low ranks to the competitive scene. One of our low ranks pointed out one of yours as having potential, I glanced at your clan, judged it as inactive. At the time you sent the mail to bonker your clan was called Mafia and you were called Modfather. I did not recognise you or your clan, and did not think to look beneath the surface.

I spoke to your low rank asking if he wanted to join, he said he would speak to his leader(you), i did not hear from him since. There was nothing "dirty" going on as you seem to think, or as clovis seems to want to think.
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30.04.2016 - 18:10
So all he said was that SM did not participate in this project? He didn't even mention BM, do you hear us cry about it? ... Stop starting this drama out of nothing.

And this thread could be sent to the clanleaders themself, or if you wanted to let the rest know that your clan provides trained lowranks, you could make it more appealing rather than how you started with your thread, because it doesn't really sound thread-worthy at this moment.

Oh and clovis, Laochra nor SM isn't talking to you, stop interfering into chats/discussions like that, its really annoying.
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Általa írva Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44

Waffel for mod 2015
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30.04.2016 - 18:21
Általa írva clovis1122, 30.04.2016 at 17:54

Általa írva Permamuted, 30.04.2016 at 17:32

Általa írva Skanderbeg, 30.04.2016 at 16:17

Stalin Martians don't participate in the project but they contact The Corleones members to recruit in private without informing me.


Rather than public mudslinging why did you not try speaking with us? Judging by the proposal you sent to bonker




Nice contradicting yourself once again. Says that Corleone made no attempt to contact SM but at the same time speak about the proposal that b0nker received from (GUESS WHO?) Corleone.

If anything the communication problems are entirely from your (SM's) part for not attending to the proposal. Picking up over players in another clan is pretty much like asking your friend's girlfriend to go out with you. Entirely a dirty tactic.

If you guys simply wanted to help out training newbies you should'be attended to the proposal.

oh and inb4:

Általa írva Permamuted, 21.02.2016 at 12:42

nope unfortunately for you the english language is extremely flexible. It was obvious what i was referring to.



if you read and understood my post you would realise that i didnt know this clan and its leader were the mafia clan and tito as both had changed names since bonker was sent the mail, because of this there was no contradiction. From my perspective, i was pulling a low rank from an inactive clan to somewhere he could improve.

You're like a dog with a bone. I get it clovis, you hate sm and I and want to find contradictions in our posts and evidence of dirty dealings. The result is we get rubbish posts and pointless arguments as shown above.

And waffel is right, the thread itself was completely unnecessary.
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30.04.2016 - 18:28
We are willing to help
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30.04.2016 - 18:31
Clovis Vs Laochra is why I still log in

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30.04.2016 - 18:47
Általa írva Waffel, 30.04.2016 at 18:10

Oh and clovis, Laochra nor SM isn't talking to you, stop interfering into chats/discussions like that, its really annoying.

Általa írva Permamuted, 30.04.2016 at 17:32

I spoke to your low rank asking if he wanted to join, he said he would speak to his leader(you), i did not hear from him since. There was nothing "dirty" going on as you seem to think, or as clovis seems to want to think.


I was called out.

Általa írva Phoenix, 30.04.2016 at 18:31

Clovis Vs Laochra is why I still log in




He is trying to sell the history about how the clan change name and that suddenly makes the clan looks inactive...

Anyway, my bad should'be focused more in what the thread is trying to aim. I hope the project goes well.

Általa írva Cold Case, 30.04.2016 at 18:28

We are willing to help




We need more clans!
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30.04.2016 - 18:55
Általa írva clovis1122, 30.04.2016 at 18:47

I was called out.


Yea after you stuck your nose in where it didn't belong to flame sm. And oh look, that post has been deleted. Surprise!
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30.04.2016 - 18:58
Általa írva Permamuted, 30.04.2016 at 18:55

And oh look, that post has been deleted.


I've deleted the posts only to keep the discussion aimed at what the purpose is - to get clans that are able to teach the new recruits.

Feel free to piss off elsewhere.
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30.04.2016 - 22:07
Typical Clovis, commenting without the full information.

Anyways I don't think op was stating anything wrong, he is right in that we are not part of this inter clan thingy.
What he failed to mention though is that despite not being part of his project I have sent him a lot of information to help his trainees (probably more than the clans mentioned)

Lets be clear though on two things firstly SM have trained many many players so we dont need to prove anything in this regards, SM doesn't need to have other clans training low ranks for our selection (we are capable ourselves thanks) and finally its a players choice if they move clan not the leaders.
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01.05.2016 - 12:07
Általa írva Checkmate., 30.04.2016 at 16:59

I dont really remember Sm ever recruiting members without your knowing. Could you clarify?


Yes i can. They contact our members without informing the leader about their intentions:





I believe we can cooperate better if we inform each other about things like this.
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01.05.2016 - 12:13
Forget about SM, they already made their intentions clear enough. Just work with the clans that are interested in the project, because I believe it's a great opportunity to introduce low ranks into the competitive scene.

It would'be nice to see a CW of pure rank 5's one day.
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01.05.2016 - 12:13
Általa írva Permamuted, 30.04.2016 at 17:32

Rather than public mudslinging why did you not try speaking with us? Judging by the proposal you sent to bonker which was subsequently posted in our clanforum,


I don't understand? I try to contact you and you don't respond and now you are talking like i am the bad guy here for simply informing the public that Stalin Martians do not participate in interclan recruiting system.



I sent PM to 2 Stalin Martian leaders, none responded. I tried to contact Desu, Bonker and Laochra in the game but none respond. When Laochra replied, i used opportunity to use moderator to check my clan for alts as they are not allowed. I don't have much time waiting in the game, 30 minutes means alot to me because i am very busy in real life.

And then this happen:






I don't want to talk about this issue anymore because i made this topic for other purpose, please don't steer the issue.
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01.05.2016 - 12:18
Általa írva Waffel, 30.04.2016 at 18:10

And this thread could be sent to the clanleaders themself, or if you wanted to let the rest know that your clan provides trained lowranks, you could make it more appealing rather than how you started with your thread, because it doesn't really sound thread-worthy at this moment.


I want 'the rest' opinion and help about this issue. I need help to keep training clan alive and provide information and direction for trainees to participate in strong cw clans, and provide information cw clans with trainees, their abilities, character and wishes, so clans can choose and boost their cw activity.

If it isn't thread-worthy, i am sorry, i am not a newspaper reporter or ATN worker, english is not even my first language and i learned it on the internet 5 years ago when i started playing online game(s) - afterwind.

I have good intentions and i am sorry my lack of english language makes barrier between us but i have no time learning it properly because i have other things in life. I keep internet only to play video games for entertainment after hard work.
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01.05.2016 - 12:46
Általa írva Permamuted, 30.04.2016 at 17:32

I spoke to your low rank asking if he wanted to join, he said he would speak to his leader(you), i did not hear from him since. There was nothing "dirty" going on as you seem to think, or as clovis seems to want to think.


I am being informed about your intentions by members who are contacted by you. And as posted above, i have an obligation to provide them with information about Mystics, Epic Clan, Enigma and Element clans first, as they participate in interclan recruiting system and share informations with my clan. I can't talk about Stalin Martians with them because i don't have green light from Stalin Martians themselves as they never replied to my messages. Epic Clan, Mystics, Enigma and Element have priority.
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01.05.2016 - 13:03
Általa írva Skanderbeg, 01.05.2016 at 12:46

I can't talk about Stalin Martians with them because i don't have green light from Stalin Martians themselves as they never replied to my messages.


They don't care about that, tito. Just see b0nker reply. For them it is ethically correct to go inviting members from another coalition without any sort of dialog. If they had the power, they would disband a whole clan just to get a couple of players into their clan.

Let's leave SM out and move on with this project. I assume that if they see any valuable person they'll try to steal him out when that person changes from Corleones to any other clan participating in the project.

Worsen than the one who offers the drug is the one who accept them I guess.
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01.05.2016 - 13:23
Általa írva clovis1122, 01.05.2016 at 13:03

They don't care about that, tito. Just see b0nker reply. For them it is ethically correct to go inviting members from another coalition without any sort of dialog. If they had the power, they would disband a whole clan just to get a couple of players into their clan.


Általa írva Skanderbeg, 01.05.2016 at 12:13

I don't understand? I try to contact you and you don't respond and now you are talking like i am the bad guy here for simply informing the public that Stalin Martians do not participate in interclan recruiting system.

I don't want to talk about this issue anymore because i made this topic for other purpose, please don't steer the issue.


Általa írva clovis1122, 01.05.2016 at 12:13

Forget about SM, they already made their intentions clear enough.


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01.05.2016 - 13:28
Általa írva Cold Case, 30.04.2016 at 18:28

We are willing to help


Thank you! (the only comment related to the topic here) Can you inform me how you are willing to provide help? Any idea, because i am out of all!

I was thinking that some CW clan could send experienced player to continue to lead our training clan, teach recruits and later inform members and cw clans about each other. Introduce them and provide informations, so both clans and players can have all options on the table and decide what clan to join based on available informations.
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01.05.2016 - 13:32
Általa írva Skanderbeg, 01.05.2016 at 13:28

Általa írva Cold Case, 30.04.2016 at 18:28

We are willing to help


Thank you! (the only comment related to the topic here) Can you inform me how you are willing to provide help? Any idea, because i am out of all!

I was thinking that some CW clan could send experienced player to continue to lead our training clan, teach recruits and later inform members and cw clans about each other. Introduce them and provide informations, so both clans and players can have all options on the table and decide what clan to join based on available informations.


tito i am glad that you got a job and you are no longer a russian shill. But you made this with a lot of anti-SM bias. Most of this issues could be solved by sending private messages to clan leaders, there was no need for what you did.
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01.05.2016 - 13:33
I forgot to add BiteMe! but not sure if i should do that because they agree to my plan but i can't further contact them as Hugosch is inactive and directed me to Troll, Troll doesn't reply and TheManiac have me on ignore.

I need more info about them but i am unable to get it.

Situation is getting weirder and weirder.
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01.05.2016 - 13:42
Általa írva b0nker2, 30.04.2016 at 22:07

Typical Clovis, commenting without the full information.

Anyways I don't think op was stating anything wrong, he is right in that we are not part of this inter clan thingy.
What he failed to mention though is that despite not being part of his project I have sent him a lot of information to help his trainees (probably more than the clans mentioned)

Lets be clear though on two things firstly SM have trained many many players so we dont need to prove anything in this regards, SM doesn't need to have other clans training low ranks for our selection (we are capable ourselves thanks) and finally its a players choice if they move clan not the leaders.


You have sent loads of tutorials and i am grateful for that, but Bonker did that, not Stalin Martians clan. I believe i didn't fail to mention that because that's not the topic here and neither related.

Also, if Stalin Martians don't have to prove anything here why Laochra replied so hostile here and started to argue?

Clans agreed to plan have right to be informed about their future recruits being observed and contacted by third-party clan outside the agreement. As do the community because we tend to expand the system and introduce as many as possible. Because it is around competitive side of Atwar.
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01.05.2016 - 14:02
Általa írva clovis1122, 01.05.2016 at 13:03

Általa írva Skanderbeg, 01.05.2016 at 12:46

I can't talk about Stalin Martians with them because i don't have green light from Stalin Martians themselves as they never replied to my messages.


They don't care about that, tito. Just see b0nker reply. For them it is ethically correct to go inviting members from another coalition without any sort of dialog. If they had the power, they would disband a whole clan just to get a couple of players into their clan.

Let's leave SM out and move on with this project. I assume that if they see any valuable person they'll try to steal him out when that person changes from Corleones to any other clan participating in the project.

Worsen than the one who offers the drug is the one who accept them I guess.


What is ethically wrong is making any player regardless of rank feel like they owe a clan something. Players are not under contract, as such they are free agents and 100% in control of where they want to and who they want to play the game with.

For the record I support anyone training new players, here though is the reason I have not responded (opted out) of this interclan thingy - quote from message sent to me

''In practice, that can work like this: you PM me to mail you list of ready recruits, i will send you with little description of them, what they like to play, their strongpoints and weakspots, personality and traits. Then you decide which one you want, and how many, and inform me back just so i can write down. You contact them and offer to join your clan. I will advise them to join, but won't force them, it should be voluntarily''

In return, i just want respect.


Someday, and that day may never come, I'll call upon you to do a service for me. But until that day, accept this offer as a gift on my profile creation anniversary.''

That is why I have not accepted - I will owe nobody thanks.

Even tito states it is voluntarily the choice of players to choose where they go....

Perhaps YOU SHOULD as suggested keep your nose out when you dont have the facts.

@tito - RL is more important see who is able to help and designate training duties to them, failing that when you are free make training threads like those sent to you, good luck.
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01.05.2016 - 14:05
Általa írva clovis1122, 01.05.2016 at 13:03


If they had the power, they would disband a whole clan just to get a couple of players into their clan.




PMSL i think you have finally lost the plot
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01.05.2016 - 14:13
I hope you realize that you've made the argument by yourself, b0nker. Nobody here questioned a person's right to leave a clan to join another. Right and ethics are two different concepts that aren't mean to be mixed up.

I can't be bothered to respond to SM's issue anymore. Let's just focus on what this thread was build for...
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01.05.2016 - 14:46
Általa írva b0nker2, 01.05.2016 at 14:45

Általa írva clovis1122, 01.05.2016 at 14:13

I hope you realize that you've made the argument by yourself, b0nker. Nobody here questioned a person's right to leave a clan to join another. Right and ethics are two different concepts that aren't mean to be mixed up.

I can't be bothered to respond to SM's issue anymore. Let's just focus on what this thread was build for...


I hope you realise that what you just said makes 0 sense. Someones ethical viewpoints are their interpretation of what is right and wrong. If you accept your above statement, then you accept that people are free to approach players outside of this interclan thingy without reprisal or shit talking.

Read your own comments and note your own lack of consistency
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01.05.2016 - 15:13


on topic i would be willing to help you with training via a 3v3 game held once a week were i can spectate and point out to mistakes or advanced tips and answer questions.
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01.05.2016 - 16:55
Általa írva Skanderbeg, 01.05.2016 at 13:28

Általa írva Cold Case, 30.04.2016 at 18:28

We are willing to help


Thank you! (the only comment related to the topic here) Can you inform me how you are willing to provide help? Any idea, because i am out of all!

I was thinking that some CW clan could send experienced player to continue to lead our training clan, teach recruits and later inform members and cw clans about each other. Introduce them and provide informations, so both clans and players can have all options on the table and decide what clan to join based on available informations.

Well i was thinking you would give us 3-4 active players,we train them(no secrets will be given) and then they will come back to you
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02.05.2016 - 11:33
Általa írva b0nker2, 01.05.2016 at 14:02

That is why I have not accepted - I will owe nobody thanks.


It was a joke related to our clan name because - if you've watched The Godfather - they imply favor and respect every 2 minutes. I thought that was understandable and did not need a footnote.

I can't and don't want to return to this issue anymore, i'll try to solve issue i made topic about and then go to inactivity. Goodbye.
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02.05.2016 - 11:35
Általa írva Cold Case, 01.05.2016 at 16:55

Well i was thinking you would give us 3-4 active players,we train them(no secrets will be given) and then they will come back to you


Ok, there are 5-10 whom you can ask. I will PM you the names.

The rest are inactive and not interested in cw.
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