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Küldte clovis1122, 23.10.2015 - 07:50
Általa írva clovis1122, 23.10.2015 at 08:38

Just a clarification, when I say "default map player" or "scenario player" I am not referring to a pure player of that map. Just to a common player of that side.





My vote goes for the scenario players...

I though default map players were the ones who could adapt best, until I saw some of them playing WW1... was terrible, 100% lack of knowledge about the units and trenches. Some of them even trolled it.

On the other hand, scenario players usually don't play a single map but a couple of scenarios, and can adapt quite well to default map or custom maps.

RP kills custom map players so I wonder the reasons for someone to vote for it. Ancient is great though...

Szavazás

Choose one, and maybe give an explanation.

Scenario players.
31
Custom map players.
8
Default map players.
31

Össz szavazatok: 65
25.10.2015 - 09:28
 Evic
Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 09:26



AW is about this http://pokit.org/get/?4b3a11f75c292720c67722cafb769128.jpg , sorry but you dont know anything.


such a stronk argument
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25.10.2015 - 09:35
Általa írva Evic, 25.10.2015 at 09:28

Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 09:26



AW is about this http://pokit.org/get/?4b3a11f75c292720c67722cafb769128.jpg , sorry but you dont know anything.


such a stronk argument


I'm sorry really, didn't know that your IQ is so low that everything needs to be explained to you. You can correct me if i'm wrong but is there a stronger argument than playing with your friends in a coalition where every member has just one purpose - To prove they are the strongest on AW. Kids, you don't know anything
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25.10.2015 - 09:39
 Evic
Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 09:35



You can correct me if i'm wrong but is there a stronger argument than playing with your friends in a coalition where every member has just one purpose - To prove they are the strongest on AW. Kids, you don't know anything


My english might not be perfect but im pretty sure you just said your argument is that you are in a coalition where every memeber has a puropse to prove how they are the strongest.

If thats true about SA then im out of words.
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25.10.2015 - 09:42
Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 09:35

Kids, you don't know anything



well i know one thing: i don't know you, which is weird because i usually know the names of most of the competitive players since i use to play them in europe 3v3/10k world/5k world FFA/clan war/ww2/tournament/off-topic/forum.
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25.10.2015 - 09:48
Általa írva Evic, 25.10.2015 at 09:39

Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 09:35



You can correct me if i'm wrong but is there a stronger argument than playing with your friends in a coalition where every member has just one purpose - To prove they are the strongest on AW. Kids, you don't know anything


My english might not be perfect but im pretty sure you just said your argument is that you are in a coalition where every memeber has a puropse to prove how they are the strongest.

If thats true about SA then im out of words.



http://pokit.org/get/?c31ce1d85370b70ab8b221b952b9e7e6.jpg Every clan has its ups and downs. It really is true that your IQ is comparable to a chicken,while I was talking about AW and its every coalition, you and your chicken iq arguments are trying to fight back. Its not even funny,now its just sad really.
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25.10.2015 - 09:53
Általa írva Tundy, 25.10.2015 at 09:42

Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 09:35

Kids, you don't know anything



well i know one thing: i don't know you, which is weird because i usually know the names of most of the competitive players since i use to play them in europe 3v3/10k world/5k world FFA/clan war/ww2/tournament/off-topic/forum.



http://pokit.org/get/?8c296ce81bc3f0a8ce6b2b408ce754c8.jpg I think this gives you a answer. I play half of year, year maybe, than i stop for a year or two. Real life more important , or just boredom. Im a beta player, mauzer knows who I am, Dbacks ,devil and etc. If a played all this time , dunno what r would be
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25.10.2015 - 10:06
 Evic
Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 09:48




http://pokit.org/get/?c31ce1d85370b70ab8b221b952b9e7e6.jpg Every clan has its ups and downs. It really is true that your IQ is comparable to a chicken,while I was talking about AW and its every coalition, you and your chicken iq arguments are trying to fight back. Its not even funny,now its just sad really.


so every competative clan is just about who can win more games?

so thats why every single competative player has changed like 10+ coalitions so far? XD

the second a competative clan loses a few CWs it falls apart,guaranteed.
no conection between the players,its just about the wins

also you remind me of shawny, using insults when he cant think of a better anywer
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25.10.2015 - 10:16
Általa írva Evic, 25.10.2015 at 10:06

Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 09:48




http://pokit.org/get/?c31ce1d85370b70ab8b221b952b9e7e6.jpg Every clan has its ups and downs. It really is true that your IQ is comparable to a chicken,while I was talking about AW and its every coalition, you and your chicken iq arguments are trying to fight back. Its not even funny,now its just sad really.


so every competative clan is just about who can win more games?

so thats why every single competative player has changed like 10+ coalitions so far? XD

the second a competative clan loses a few CWs it falls apart,guaranteed.
no conection between the players,its just about the wins

also you remind me of shawny, using insults when he cant think of a better anywer


Wow chicken, its easy to see that you don''t know anything about aw. Its your fault that your skill so low so you can't even get to a normal coalition. What the fuck do you think SM, MK, VS, SYNDICATE ,BiteMe , Illyria ,SA are? Do you even know that syndicate's ,BiteMe and illyria core members are not even active anymore and still there are a lot of loyal players that stayed there because it's their coalition where they experienced great stuff with each other. Why do you think i'm in SA? It's because I'm loyal to devil and I guarantee there are a fuckload of members like that. You are way to inexperienced to even talk to me, so I will ignore your replays. I feel sorry for you even more.
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25.10.2015 - 10:18
Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 08:00

To be honest, I don't see scenario players like aw players anyway.


how so? who and what determines who is an aw player and who isn't?

Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 08:00

They are playing some other game, that is so far from comparing to our loved afterwind. Skill wise, we cant even compare. Why? Did they ever play and win a 3k or 5k World game( with playing against some strongest players in aw) ?


many scenario players have.

Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 08:00

Do they even know the feeling of being MoS and taking the opponents whole territory in one turn if you can do it right, or beat a good opponent through sheer skill,will and knowledge ?


prove to us that scenarios take no skill, for instance MoS is used more in scenarios than outside scenarios.

Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 08:00

I think that the reason this game stooped so low (competitive) is because admins gave too much to the scenario players ( because there's more cash to it , its a lot easier, etc).


No, afterwind was dead before scenarios. if anything scenarios revived the game.


Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 08:00

I'm a Beta Trooper so I played this game since it started and I've been on and off depending did I get bored or not and since the begging I ALWAYS SEE THE SAME FACES.


2011, 2012, 2013... it makes no difference since we are about to hit 2016.


Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 08:00

Props to some new players that are there now like firefist, swan and etc. But that's not even close how much there's new scenario focused players. If they have something to tell , or talk prove it on custom games BECAUSE THAT'S AW , why should I prove myself on a scenario ? That's like proving myself to some player on Counter Strike 1.6 mod (ski jump, surviive and etc) ,


that is so offensive, you clearly have no idea what scenarios are and probably have never played a decent one, many scenario players could defeat you in any scenario you pick.

Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 08:00

the real proving was done on a 5v5 match,and the winner gets the bragging rights.


oh yes, because 5v5 speaks wonders about the skill of a individual.

Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 08:00

Players that play scenarios don't know anything about AW, they don't know the feeling of tryhard to get r7-8 just so you can play 3v3 , show off your skill and get recruited by some coalition so they can teach you even more knew things about AW and play competitive.


scenario players are the most "rankists" people in atwar, you can't even join the scenario if you are lower than rank 7.

Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 08:00

For me this scene is dying because you can see everywhere scenario players that get cocky because they can win a scenario , but never played a cw.



sorry, but i know of many scenario players that have played more clan wars than you


Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 08:00

AW has always been about its competitive scene and when that scene dies ,AW will also die. There are always some scenario players that stand out ,and props to them, but 90% of those players wouldn't have the skill they have if they didn't start playing default games and learned from there.


how so? a lot of decent scenarios are based on default world map and the rest emulate it, how can they obtain no skill? maybe you should duel a scenario player in a random custom map and lets see how well you do.
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25.10.2015 - 10:26
 Evic
Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 10:16




so i dont know anything about AW and becuase im a scenario player i cant adapt right?

well,i decided to do some 1v1s and 3v3s yesterday,won all 1v1s and lost 1 3v3 becuase of html that DCd me.

so much about scneario players being nubs
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25.10.2015 - 10:28
Általa írva Evic, 25.10.2015 at 10:06

Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 09:48




http://pokit.org/get/?c31ce1d85370b70ab8b221b952b9e7e6.jpg Every clan has its ups and downs. It really is true that your IQ is comparable to a chicken,while I was talking about AW and its every coalition, you and your chicken iq arguments are trying to fight back. Its not even funny,now its just sad really.


so every competative clan is just about who can win more games?

so thats why every single competative player has changed like 10+ coalitions so far? XD

the second a competative clan loses a few CWs it falls apart,guaranteed.


its fucking competitive xD
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25.10.2015 - 10:30
 Evic
Általa írva Khal.eesi, 25.10.2015 at 10:28




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25.10.2015 - 10:48
Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 10:48

Általa írva Tundy, 25.10.2015 at 10:18




1. I'm stating my personal opinion that is based on that scenario player's are playing aw for fun to win , while default players are playing for fun and to win and prove themselves.

2. I said playing against some strongest players in aw, can't see that a scenario player beats mauzer,devil and similiar people. I'ts easy to ally fag and win vs low ranks. Please read what i write.

3. I find it difficult that scenario player's can do the stuff Learster could. Now its different maybe regarding that MoS is not used, but that's not important. I did not say that scenario's don't take skill, but compared to default players not even close.

4. As long cw's are alive, afterwind is alive too, for me aw is dead now.


5. I don't even know you, sorry but I only remember people that are strong.


6. Don't know , don't care , they can but i don't care about scenario's. That's just stupid from you, best default player can beat a best scenario player easy on his turf, but the best scenario player will have problems vs best default on their turf.


7. I was making a example - in cw best players and best teams win- and the team win depends on how strong their player's are so you don't even know about that. The better players will always prevail.


8. Based on whay I've seen not true. (personal opinion)



9. Sorry, but you don't know your facts.
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25.10.2015 - 10:56
 Evic
Tunder why do you even bother arguing with him? its clear that he is either troll,stupid or retarded
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25.10.2015 - 10:58
Általa írva Evic, 25.10.2015 at 10:56

Tunder why do you even bother arguing with him? its clear that he is either troll,stupid or retarded


For the guy who tries to argument his opinions with a chicken IQ , this is a normal conclusion.
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25.10.2015 - 11:27
Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 10:48

1. I'm stating my personal opinion that is based on that scenario player's are playing aw for fun to win , while default players are playing for fun and to win and prove themselves.


Opinions are irrelevant in arguments, keep it to yourself

Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 10:48

2. I said playing against some strongest players in aw, can't see that a scenario player beats mauzer,devil and similiar people. I'ts easy to ally fag and win vs low ranks. Please read what i write.


i know fully well how to read, perhaps my truth-posting is annoying you?
the most fundamental issue here is that your argument is based merely on emotions,opinions, and outdated personal experiences.

who determines who is a strong player? you?

mauzer is not some type of demi-god, i have played him before in 3v3/clan war/scenarios and in some instances i have won.


Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 10:48

3. I find it difficult that scenario player's can do the stuff Learster could. Now its different maybe regarding that MoS is not used, but that's not important. I did not say that scenario's don't take skill, but compared to default players not even close.


default players? or europe players? there is a big difference there buddy. If anything world players are more noobish than scenario players (times have changed)


Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 10:48

4. As long cw's are alive, afterwind is alive too, for me aw is dead now.


I have 4x times more clan wars than you, well played.

Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 10:48

5. I don't even know you, sorry but I only remember people that are strong.


you don't need to know me, i don't care.
i am a well known player.

Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 10:48

6. Don't know , don't care , they can but i don't care about scenario's. That's just stupid from you, best default player can beat a best scenario player easy on his turf, but the best scenario player will have problems vs best default on their turf.


you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, there was once upon a time when scenario players and europe players played in the same turf (ww2) and you will be surprised if i were to tell you about the results.

cocky europe players use to get rekt

Általa írva Amorphous, 25.10.2015 at 10:48

7. I was making a example - in cw best players and best teams win- and the team win depends on how strong their player's are so you don't even know about that. The better players will always prevail.


Who is a better player? how do you think you win in scenarios?
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25.10.2015 - 11:57
Általa írva Tundy, 25.10.2015 at 11:27




1. So you can't see that this is a argument too? A best scenario player name wont even be remembered even close like a name TopHats, thats a fact + Where are your medals ? They proved themselves by playing and winning and their name will be remembered because of that, yours will not come even close like to that.

2. Everything I say is a fact. Thats maybe your opinion ,but your opinion doesn't matter Even noobs get lucky sometimes (i'm a newb too now ) and If I have to choose a demi-god than its devil, beacuse he's awesome ! btw I can see who's a strong player, dunno why you cant see it thats why i'm writing some players that I can remember atm and its a fact that they are one of the most known players.

3. True dat , you can't start a world game if its not a 50 k -.-

4. That's your personal opinion , keep it to yourself ! and your answer doesn't have anything to do with your quote

5. Ye so we don't care about each other's opinion ,we have proven that on this topic again and again

6. Sorry missed that period XD

7. Sorry ,but those kind of better players can't compare !

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25.10.2015 - 12:40
Its saddening to see threads like this, the reason i even bother posting in them is the lack of new talent coming to the competitive scene. I guess part of the problem is some notion amongst the mostly scenario/custom map playing community is that they are somehow good at atwar. Calculated intelligence is something you see very little of these days in other players gameplay, even amongst some of those in the competitive community who are considered good. I have played all the players from the "other side" of the argument in this thread and not a single one of them are good.

civ/njab, find some random custom map neither of us have played and we can duel on it. I'll provide a quick demonstration of the skill gap that exists. If you dont wish to do this find some scenario/custom map player who you consider good and have them duel me. a free shot at a 1500 elo player outside the maps he usually plays. Should be easy elo right? I am not interested in maps that

1: have 1 pick which is far more powerful than the rest, ie. that medieval map kord plays
2. Maps like king of the hill(for obvious reasons).

gl, i'll be interested to see what you find.
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25.10.2015 - 14:03
Általa írva Permamuted, 25.10.2015 at 12:40

Its saddening to see threads like this, the reason i even bother posting in them is the lack of new talent coming to the competitive scene. I guess part of the problem is some notion amongst the mostly scenario/custom map playing community is that they are somehow good at atwar. Calculated intelligence is something you see very little of these days in other players gameplay, even amongst some of those in the competitive community who are considered good. I have played all the players from the "other side" of the argument in this thread and not a single one of them are good.

civ/njab, find some random custom map neither of us have played and we can duel on it. I'll provide a quick demonstration of the skill gap that exists. If you dont wish to do this find some scenario/custom map player who you consider good and have them duel me. a free shot at a 1500 elo player outside the maps he usually plays. Should be easy elo right? I am not interested in maps that

1: have 1 pick which is far more powerful than the rest, ie. that medieval map kord plays
2. Maps like king of the hill(for obvious reasons).

gl, i'll be interested to see what you find.


pick a date/time, and a custom map.

i gladly duel you 10 times in a row
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25.10.2015 - 14:32
Általa írva Tundy, 25.10.2015 at 14:03

Általa írva Permamuted, 25.10.2015 at 12:40

Its saddening to see threads like this, the reason i even bother posting in them is the lack of new talent coming to the competitive scene. I guess part of the problem is some notion amongst the mostly scenario/custom map playing community is that they are somehow good at atwar. Calculated intelligence is something you see very little of these days in other players gameplay, even amongst some of those in the competitive community who are considered good. I have played all the players from the "other side" of the argument in this thread and not a single one of them are good.

civ/njab, find some random custom map neither of us have played and we can duel on it. I'll provide a quick demonstration of the skill gap that exists. If you dont wish to do this find some scenario/custom map player who you consider good and have them duel me. a free shot at a 1500 elo player outside the maps he usually plays. Should be easy elo right? I am not interested in maps that

1: have 1 pick which is far more powerful than the rest, ie. that medieval map kord plays
2. Maps like king of the hill(for obvious reasons).

gl, i'll be interested to see what you find.


pick a date/time, and a custom map.

i gladly duel you 10 times in a row


pffft, ive already dueled you inside and outside of the default map, i dont really consider you a scenario/custom player, but if you insist, you can pick the custom map
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25.10.2015 - 20:52
Általa írva Permamuted, 25.10.2015 at 12:40

Its saddening to see threads like this, the reason i even bother posting in them is the lack of new talent coming to the competitive scene. I guess part of the problem is some notion amongst the mostly scenario/custom map playing community is that they are somehow good at atwar. Calculated intelligence is something you see very little of these days in other players gameplay, even amongst some of those in the competitive community who are considered good. I have played all the players from the "other side" of the argument in this thread and not a single one of them are good.

civ/njab, find some random custom map neither of us have played and we can duel on it. I'll provide a quick demonstration of the skill gap that exists. If you dont wish to do this find some scenario/custom map player who you consider good and have them duel me. a free shot at a 1500 elo player outside the maps he usually plays. Should be easy elo right? I am not interested in maps that

1: have 1 pick which is far more powerful than the rest, ie. that medieval map kord plays
2. Maps like king of the hill(for obvious reasons).

gl, i'll be interested to see what you find.


Challenge accepted..

I said this on page 1 but w/e

need a third part to help choose a random map.

Edit: I propose best of 3.. with 3 random maps.. no claims of luck at the end of it. Whoever wins settles the argument of what type of player is most "adaptable".. and I represent custom map players, minus RP players
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25.10.2015 - 21:51
Khal, when I started to play WW2 and other games I was a rank 7 in a dead clan so there wasn't any possibility for me to be interested in CWs. Even when I joined syndicate, I still played the map for a long time because there were only Spart, Opulon (got kicked just some few days), Primal (inactive) and (waffel? we still discussing about this). With so few people again there was no way I could be interested in CWs...

You can't know more about my AW career than myself....

Általa írva Tundy, 24.10.2015 at 10:25



bitch plz, you confused unleashed with me ;P


Apparently I did. You're right, that screenshots really looks similar to what the axis were trying to do (Caucasus instead of Stalingrad though, fun fact is that Azerbaijan is the richest country of the URSS and I never knew why....).

Maybe I never got to play unleashed in tik-tok's WW2. Doesn't changes the fact that I was (and still I am) a frequent scenario player though.
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25.10.2015 - 21:55
Good proposal and I see that nor Tunder nor Phoenix are scared to prove their potential.

You guys should challenge more default-like players though, like Dbacks. That would'be a lot more even.

Általa írva Dbacks, 25.10.2015 at 21:51




Maybe organizing the following three matches:

1. Tunder vs Dbacks.
2. Tunder vs Phoenix.
3. Phoenix vs Dbacks.

And then a 1vs1vs1 on full Lunatic map (Safari's, I'm sure none of you three had played this).
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25.10.2015 - 22:20
Lol

>scenario players "can adapt the most"
>yet all they do is play unbalanced maps

looks like a lot of scenario players voted here...

all ik is that I've played europe a lot, and when i first played scenario, i was beating a lot of "scenario players" with no issue.. I'm sure other "europe fags who only memorize" can attest to this as well
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26.10.2015 - 04:32
Good idea guys! i volunteer my self for picking a random map, i am so unbiased that i would throw my own mother in jail if i thought she was dangerous. But i understand if you dont trust me and want to find someone more neutral. Just do it. Quick. And post the date here so we can watch
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26.10.2015 - 06:51
Általa írva clovis1122, 25.10.2015 at 21:55

Good proposal and I see that nor Tunder nor Phoenix are scared to prove their potential.

You guys should challenge more default-like players though, like Dbacks. That would'be a lot more even.

Általa írva Dbacks, 25.10.2015 at 21:51




Maybe organizing the following three matches:

1. Tunder vs Dbacks.
2. Tunder vs Phoenix.
3. Phoenix vs Dbacks.

And then a 1vs1vs1 on full Lunatic map (Safari's, I'm sure none of you three had played this).


deal, just work out when players are available so we can organise a match and people can watch.

I'm available from 11pm to 2am almost every night and most days 11am-3pm GMT, but I wont be able to play 7 hours a day so let me know which time is best..
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26.10.2015 - 08:41
 Evic
Általa írva Grudgebearer, 25.10.2015 at 22:20

Lol

>scenario players "can adapt the most"
>yet all they do is play unbalanced maps

looks like a lot of scenario players voted here...

all ik is that I've played europe a lot, and when i first played scenario, i was beating a lot of "scenario players" with no issue.. I'm sure other "europe fags who only memorize" can attest to this as well


>scenarios unbalanced

bitch gtfo,probably that muslims alt who came here to talk more shit
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26.10.2015 - 08:42
 Evic
And before i get hate for calling somebody a shit talking bitch you should realise he has 0 scenarios played and is saying how he was easily beating people in scenarios
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26.10.2015 - 08:47
Általa írva Evic, 26.10.2015 at 08:42

And before i get hate for calling somebody a shit talking bitch you should realise he has 0 scenarios played and is saying how he was easily beating people in scenarios

ah shoot, i was hoping no one wud notice XD

(damn.. things got heated here real quick hahaha)

>bitch gtfo, probably that muslims alt
>assuming im muslim because making bitchy comment
>nice profiling

D"
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26.10.2015 - 08:53
 Evic
Általa írva Grudgebearer, 26.10.2015 at 08:47



>bitch gtfo, probably that muslims alt
>assuming im muslim because making bitchy comment
>nice profiling

D"


if you scroll up you will notice a guy called "Stronk amorphous" (he is muslim) or something like that, he sounded just as stupid and had similar arguments as you so i assumed you were his alt
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