RIP Turkey 1923-2018

Általa írva Al Fappino, 30.06.2018 at 19:56

Általa írva Rock Lee, 30.06.2018 at 17:28

Also, Fuck off.

Általa írva Rock Lee, 29.06.2018 at 19:40

But AtWar players know I do not shittalk.

Hey. he called me a dog. and it was 2AM.

Általa írva Al Fappino, 30.06.2018 at 19:44

Általa írva Rock Lee, 30.06.2018 at 14:42

1. Ergdoan demoted Democratic officers since the beginning

What does that even bloody mean lmao

That means it cleaned the army from people who do not support his agenda

Általa írva Al Fappino, 30.06.2018 at 19:44

Általa írva Rock Lee, 30.06.2018 at 14:42

2. In the past the Turkish Army intervend only when Turkey falled to hands of a dictator

That had no logical basis, some say the coup was performed by selective army elites who felt threatened lmao

The coup was performed 10 years later by several low ranks. In the past just several middle class managed to capture Turkey. if the elites of the Turkish army would want to pay the toll then they would demote Ergdoan. but he already got rid of potential opposition there years ago and turning Turkey into a nation that is captured by its Army would harm buisness, foreign reputation and citizen-authorities turst.

Általa írva Al Fappino, 30.06.2018 at 19:44

Általa írva Rock Lee, 30.06.2018 at 14:42

3. That's not how Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were founded.

How corrupt, sad and decadent is your educational system? I don't know how's in there but if you were in University here or even Highschool at 12th grade (where you study 20th Century) you'd fail at History like instantly, that was purely ignorant.


The Soviet Union was built on Armed Forces backed on by illusioned masses (see the composition of the soviets in petrograd and others and you'll realize your mis-information) who did not want to fight a war and saw Marxism(-Leninism) as a way to improve themselves and satisty their interests.

The riots in Russia started by the people due anger. I don't remember brightly but I believe one of the minorities there (Cossaks i think?) intervened after clashes already started and afterward parts of the Russian army

Nazi Germany was literally a party-on-army-wheels, I can't even believe anyone mature as yourself could even say that, Nazi Germany was built severely on a pact between the Army or Paramilitary (Nazi-aligned) Forces and the Party and grew from there..(short story)

The S.A came from older militia that existed anyways before the Nazi Party did with the same goals and after Hitler lost control of them they replaced them with the SS (at the long knifes night). The point is they used militias to gain support and advantage and inspire people. But it has nothing to do with military coup. the revolution could not happen without day-by-day propoganda on the streets, these are entirely diffrent processes and has nothing with cleaning authorities. (infact if I once readed Hitler met the Nazi Party in the first time when he was sent to spy on them by the government).

Általa írva Xenosapien, 30.06.2018 at 18:46

Turkish imperialist dogs should get out of Syria imo.

Turkey removing European and Kurdish leftist terrorists in Syria. For example this British killed in Afrin by TAF



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/19/briton-kurds-anna-campbell-dies-fighting-turkey-syria-afrin

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/icelandic-citizen-who-sided-with-ypg-killed-during-turkeys-operation-in-syrias-afrin-128355

You can find more news like thhis

Általa írva Al Fappino, 30.06.2018 at 19:26

Általa írva AlBoZzZ, 29.06.2018 at 18:33

its not about being scared of being "us bitches" its about a FREE NATION deciding for itself.

what else can i expect from you anyways. usa has been feeding your people with my taxes and american taxes for years and yet in some previous posts you talked shit about them. and many jews in israel talk shit about usa too lol. nice job bitting the hand that feeds you

oh and if you quote me, dont say usa has been feeding me too, that will show me that your iq is more garbage than what it is

Don't want to spoil your fun but Albania made a statue of Clinton, if that's not the epithome of being a US Bitch, I don't know what is, it's a ridiculous adoration of a foreign politican at the highest level of stupidity mate, ":)"

I agree. It was comoletely stupid because 1- hilary never did anyrhung for albania and 2- it was her husband who helped albqnians during kosovo wars and bombed serbia back to stone age.

The statue that was build was completely stupid, ass kissing and it should be remoced and sold for scrap asap

Általa írva Rock Lee, 30.06.2018 at 14:42

Általa írva Black Swans, 30.06.2018 at 12:17

When you aren't locking officers that are loyal to someone or something else but the country you get literally Soviet Union or Nazi Germany

That is wrong on so many levels that I doubt whether you are serious at this point.

1. Ergdoan demoted Democratic officers since the beginning

Who are you to speak of democracy? First of all try to understand what democracy is. If democracy is enslaving a nation on its own territory, then i dont want any part of it and neither should anyone. But luckly thats not democracy, democracy is the power of people governing themselves, you should tell that to your gov.
2. In the past the Turkish Army intervend only when Turkey falled to hands of a dictator

and israeli army has intervened only when they face little kids in battlefield lol


3. That's not how Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were founded.

you can say all sort of things about soviets and nazis, the only difference between them and your people is that they founded themselves on THEIR OWN LAND and their population supported them .

4. It's not even about the officers. Ergdoan used every sad moment Turkey had to get rid of teachers cops judges officials and anyone who would not help to direct Turkey into Islam let alone allow it to fall into dictatorship.

Why would it be wrong for a country leader to have his country be more into their religion? Since when did this became a crime or a symptom of dictatorship? Besides, doesnt your goverment do the same with your religion? Doesnt your goverment call your country as the only jewish country in earth? so how do you come in here and judge others for doing the same? man, you are the most biased person in this game , like literally. i totally agree with waff and fappino.

5. Put aside Authorities cleaning. He blames everyone who does'nt agree with him for being Israeli agent/ a Nazi. The guy actions are not innocent.

I never thought an israeli citizen would ever say this lol. What has your country done since 1960 until now besides what you just said at point 5?

since im too lazy to quote properly, or not lazy but i dont see the reason i should spend my time to quote properly for it to be easier for you and others to read, im quoting your points on BOLD

Általa írva Ruse, 30.06.2018 at 17:17

Damn..most blooded western shitdogs and a jew guy who lives in a terrorist country called 'israel' cares my country more than me, fuck off you idiots stop acting like knowing everything about Turkey, you all know nothing.there are more than %80 voters in this election.you cannot give us democrasy lessons with your %50 average voters count.i dont like erdoğan and his islamic thoughts but hes more democratic than all eu shits do not believe what you hear and read in news who works for imperialists.you do not live in Turkey and you cannot talk shit on our country.stop acting like caring too much for us and democrasy, we know who you are murderer colonist imperialist subhumans..and we dont need your help, we can save our country and liberty.i dont give a fuck about your shitty countries so do not care that much for my shitty country.

as i have said before, westerns think theyre entitled to talk about everyone else.

in their minds, the world works as their society works in west, their brains is unable to comprehend that theyre not the supreme culture nor they are the ONLY culture in the world and they refuse to accept that and judge every other culture and nationality based on stupid thoughts

+1 for what Commando said also I read everything Roai said but the bias is too much to discuss how Israel's even edgier than Erdogan (Israel, if we behold International Law has violated more of it than Turkey by the hundred, the slow termination in Gaza and the colonization-sponsored by the Israelis is criminal)

Won't approach this subject much more because all my points are explicit and I know this will derail into Israel, and I won't argue about edgyness again because discussing Israel is too abusive for today's eyes (they're the epithome of hypocrisy and abuse tho)

Általa írva Al Fappino, 01.07.2018 at 15:17

+1 for what Commando said also I read everything Roai said but the bias is too much to discuss how Israel's even edgier than Erdogan (Israel, if we behold International Law has violated more of it than Turkey by the hundred, the slow termination in Gaza and the colonization-sponsored by the Israelis is criminal)

Won't approach this subject much more because all my points are explicit and I know this will derail into Israel, and I won't argue about edgyness again because discussing Israel is too abusive for today's eyes (they're the epithome of hypocrisy and abuse tho)

I, and I think everyone else should, understand roai. It's his job to do this.

Általa írva Al Fappino, 30.06.2018 at 18:56

Általa írva Black Swans, 29.06.2018 at 10:09

I love my people more than I love myself, that's the fucking point of a nation. That's why someone from Trebinje or Čapljina, with whom I didn't had common ancestor for like 700 years is still my brother.

I'm still waiting for your response to my quote of your wrongfully-based comment

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Általa írva Black Swans, 01.07.2018 at 16:14

Általa írva Al Fappino, 30.06.2018 at 18:56

Általa írva Black Swans, 29.06.2018 at 10:09

I love my people more than I love myself, that's the fucking point of a nation. That's why someone from Trebinje or Čapljina, with whom I didn't had common ancestor for like 700 years is still my brother.

I'm still waiting for your response to my quote of your wrongfully-based comment

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Scroll up bud

Általa írva Black Swans, 01.07.2018 at 16:12

I, and I think everyone else should, understand roai. It's his job to do this.

I can't understand people who do the same thing people they condemn did in the past, except they do it on a quiet and not so blatantly cruel way

Általa írva Al Fappino, 27.06.2018 at 18:48

Általa írva Black Swans, 27.06.2018 at 17:39

Dude is getting more votes, main opponent went from 37% to 30%. And no, you don't need to wait for all votes to be counted to declare victory, sure, wonders happen, but not that often.

If my people decided to choose communism tomorrow, I would accept it, as much as I hate communism.

If Turkish people have chosen erdogan, who the fuck is one portuguese guy to disagree. Democracy is 50%+1.

But I'm free to disagree though and so is anybody else, especially the Turks. The difference resides whether you accept it or not. I accept the results, I can see the charisma in him that attracts millions of turks to vote for him. He's been in power for 15 years and provides an embodiment of stability and tranquility that the Turks desire to fight the "extremist" kurds and to not get contaminated by the Syrian Civil war, strongmen attract big crowds. But the fact he's too edgy and populistic doesn't make him perfect either, especially his neo-ottomanic nationalism.

Also Democracy is simply a majority standing out, 50%+1 isn't a Democracy per se, it's a form of democratic approval process

Yes, you're free to disagree, and especially are the Turks free to disagree, yet I see only "westerners" disagreeing.

You accepting the results is good, also as far as I could see Kurds are split in east on him vs HDP, and in the west he is the winer. You gotta understand HDP and PKK are basically communists, and there are Kurds that are muslims, in true sense of that word.

Yeah about populism, I don't think he is populist, I think he leads people to believe into what he believes. He had something like pre-election meeting in Sarajevo, as he was banned in EU, and you had thousands literally flocking to see him on meeting . Sarajevo on that day earned few millions.

About his neo-ottomanic nationalism, I think you should understand that country of 80 million people is going to want to be important. Look at France, they even use military when suits them, and they have smaller population than Turkey.

Általa írva Mussolini1812, 30.06.2018 at 23:46

Általa írva Xenosapien, 30.06.2018 at 18:46

Turkish imperialist dogs should get out of Syria imo.

Turkey removing European and Kurdish leftist terrorists in Syria. For example this British killed in Afrin by TAF



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/19/briton-kurds-anna-campbell-dies-fighting-turkey-syria-afrin

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/icelandic-citizen-who-sided-with-ypg-killed-during-turkeys-operation-in-syrias-afrin-128355

You can find more news like thhis

why would an icelandic citizen fighr for the kurds loll

Általa írva 4nic, 02.07.2018 at 06:43

why would an icelandic citizen fighr for the kurds loll

It's called volunteering. There are atleast a few people willing to help the Kurds against Turkey's imperialism. They are definitely in the minority, though. No idea what this person is trying to prove with this. Maybe he is trying to claim that Europe is evil for supporting the evil "leftist kurdish terrorists" and defending their crimes of promoting gender equality and ethnic tolerance, rebuilding northern Syria, defeating ISIS and establishing a democratic federation based on the beast human values you could possibly find in the entirety of the Middle East. How evil we must be for opposing Turkey's invasion of another country's territory, one supported by Islamist and Jihadist militants, shame upon us for being against the looting and pillaging of Afrin city, woe to the west for criticising Turkey for forcing more than 80,000 people to become refugees.

PS: Funfact: The operation could've lasted much longer had the Kurds decided to defend Afrin city, but instead they prioritised the evacuation of the civilians over it. Terrorists.
PPS: Erdogan dreams of Manbij the way Kim Jong Un dreams of Seoul.

Általa írva Zephyrusu, 02.07.2018 at 08:21

Általa írva 4nic, 02.07.2018 at 06:43

why would an icelandic citizen fighr for the kurds loll

It's called volunteering. There are atleast a few people willing to help the Kurds against Turkey's imperialism. They are definitely in the minority, though. No idea what this person is trying to prove with this. Maybe he is trying to claim that Europe is evil for supporting the evil "leftist kurdish terrorists" and defending their crimes of promoting gender equality and ethnic tolerance, rebuilding northern Syria, defeating ISIS and establishing a democratic federation based on the beast human values you could possibly find in the entirety of the Middle East. How evil we must be for opposing Turkey's invasion of another country's territory, one supported by Islamist and Jihadist militants, shame upon us for being against the looting and pillaging of Afrin city, woe to the west for criticising Turkey for forcing more than 80,000 people to become refugees.

PS: Funfact: The operation could've lasted much longer had the Kurds decided to defend Afrin city, but instead they prioritised the evacuation of the civilians over it. Terrorists.
PPS: Erdogan dreams of Manbij the way Kim Jong Un dreams of Seoul.

Gotta love it when Greeks go out of their way to explain to you how Turks are bad

Általa írva Zephyrusu, 02.07.2018 at 08:21

Általa írva 4nic, 02.07.2018 at 06:43

why would an icelandic citizen fighr for the kurds loll

It's called volunteering. There are atleast a few people willing to help the Kurds against Turkey's imperialism. They are definitely in the minority, though. No idea what this person is trying to prove with this. Maybe he is trying to claim that Europe is evil for supporting the evil "leftist kurdish terrorists" and defending their crimes of promoting gender equality and ethnic tolerance, rebuilding northern Syria, defeating ISIS and establishing a democratic federation based on the beast human values you could possibly find in the entirety of the Middle East. How evil we must be for opposing Turkey's invasion of another country's territory, one supported by Islamist and Jihadist militants, shame upon us for being against the looting and pillaging of Afrin city, woe to the west for criticising Turkey for forcing more than 80,000 people to become refugees.

PS: Funfact: The operation could've lasted much longer had the Kurds decided to defend Afrin city, but instead they prioritised the evacuation of the civilians over it. Terrorists.
PPS: Erdogan dreams of Manbij the way Kim Jong Un dreams of Seoul.

I love how America is left out of the picture in your story. Its the main reason there is a mess in that country at this moment.

Általa írva Waffel, 02.07.2018 at 08:48

I love how America is left out of the picture in your story. Its the main reason there is a mess in that country at this moment.

The subject of the discussion was Turkey, the Kurds and the Afrin conflict. I could write essays on why America has messed up the Middle East but that is not the current subject matter.

Általa írva Zephyrusu, 02.07.2018 at 09:14

Általa írva Waffel, 02.07.2018 at 08:48

I love how America is left out of the picture in your story. Its the main reason there is a mess in that country at this moment.

The subject of the discussion was Turkey, the Kurds and the Afrin conflict. I could write essays on why America has messed up the Middle East but that is not the current subject matter.

You named Turkey, Kurds and Afrin, America has anything to do with those 3. I'd say stop being brainwashed, its has even been verified on the nato.
You'll find enough about it on the internet, im sure of it.

Általa írva Waffel, 02.07.2018 at 09:26

You named Turkey, Kurds and Afrin, America has anything to do with those 3. I'd say stop being brainwashed, its has even been verified on the nato.
You'll find enough about it on the internet, im sure of it.

America sat out of the whole Afrin conflict tbh, so not really. They have been involved in the entire conflict, but they basically ignored Afrin.

Általa írva Zephyrusu, 02.07.2018 at 09:52

Általa írva Waffel, 02.07.2018 at 09:26

You named Turkey, Kurds and Afrin, America has anything to do with those 3. I'd say stop being brainwashed, its has even been verified on the nato.
You'll find enough about it on the internet, im sure of it.

America sat out of the whole Afrin conflict tbh, so not really. They have been involved in the entire conflict, but they basically ignored Afrin.

They sat out Afrin? They didn't do anything because alot of Nato countries supported Turkey for doing what they were doing, deffending their borders. Terrorists were attacking Turkish cities nearby the borders, Turkey had all the right to attack that city. Especially when another Nato ally is supplying those terrorists to attack Turkey. Yet America was threatening Turkey if it didn't listen. Lol... ''Sat out the whole conflict'

Like I said, stop being brainwashed. First you say America had nothing to do with Turkey, Kurds, Afrin. Now you say they had nothing to do with Afrin but with the rest. You really dont stand by your points, do you?

Anyways, this will be my last comment about it, not gonna argue about politics and reallife shit on AW anymore, nothing good comes from that.

Általa írva Zephyrusu, 02.07.2018 at 08:21

Általa írva 4nic, 02.07.2018 at 06:43

why would an icelandic citizen fighr for the kurds loll

It's called volunteering. There are atleast a few people willing to help the Kurds against Turkey's imperialism. They are definitely in the minority, though. No idea what this person is trying to prove with this. Maybe he is trying to claim that Europe is evil for supporting the evil "leftist kurdish terrorists" and defending their crimes of promoting gender equality and ethnic tolerance, rebuilding northern Syria, defeating ISIS and establishing a democratic federation based on the beast human values you could possibly find in the entirety of the Middle East. How evil we must be for opposing Turkey's invasion of another country's territory, one supported by Islamist and Jihadist militants, shame upon us for being against the looting and pillaging of Afrin city, woe to the west for criticising Turkey for forcing more than 80,000 people to become refugees.

PS: Funfact: The operation could've lasted much longer had the Kurds decided to defend Afrin city, but instead they prioritised the evacuation of the civilians over it. Terrorists.
PPS: Erdogan dreams of Manbij the way Kim Jong Un dreams of Seoul.

Ethnic tolerance = Ethnic cleansing of Arab towns

Promoting gender equality = Recruiting underaged girls to make propaganda

Defeating ISIS = Capturing rubbles of towns and cities after USA air raids, stealing victory of Syrian, Iraqi armies against ISIS along with Syrian oil, giving safe exist to ISIS fighters under USA command

Általa írva Mussolini1812, 02.07.2018 at 14:47

Ethnic tolerance = Ethnic cleansing of Arab towns

Promoting gender equality = Recruiting underaged girls to make propaganda

Defeating ISIS = Capturing rubbles of towns and cities after USA air raids, stealing victory of Syrian, Iraqi armies against ISIS along with Syrian oil, giving safe exist to ISIS fighters under USA command

..."Ethnic cleansing of Arab towns"? Are you drunk? No, this goes beyond being drunk. When in the actual fuck did that happen?

Underage girls? What are you even basing this on? Yes, Rojava uses female militants that VOLUNTEER, and it just so happens that many do, because the state permits them to make that choice. Unlike any other state in the region. As for them being underage, there have been very minimal cases of this happening, and it wasn't their intention to do so, it happened the same way it happened during WW1, the children themselves wanted to enlist and often lied about their age. Of course, the recruiters who accepted them are also to blame, but the government of Rojava is not, as it had more immediate problems to deal with at the time than these isolated events. Ever since, they have disbanded almost all of them.

Yes, Raqqa suffered much during the assault. But what was the alternative? Letting ISIS control it forever? Yeah, great fucking idea. As for the militants being allowed to escape, that is the process that was followed in any city assault during the war, because there is no other way to end a city assault but to do that. It happened in Aleppo, it happened in Ghouta, and it happened in Deir Ezzor. What are you even trying to prove?

Általa írva Mussolini1812, 02.07.2018 at 14:47

Általa írva Zephyrusu, 02.07.2018 at 08:21

Általa írva 4nic, 02.07.2018 at 06:43

why would an icelandic citizen fighr for the kurds loll

It's called volunteering. There are atleast a few people willing to help the Kurds against Turkey's imperialism. They are definitely in the minority, though. No idea what this person is trying to prove with this. Maybe he is trying to claim that Europe is evil for supporting the evil "leftist kurdish terrorists" and defending their crimes of promoting gender equality and ethnic tolerance, rebuilding northern Syria, defeating ISIS and establishing a democratic federation based on the beast human values you could possibly find in the entirety of the Middle East. How evil we must be for opposing Turkey's invasion of another country's territory, one supported by Islamist and Jihadist militants, shame upon us for being against the looting and pillaging of Afrin city, woe to the west for criticising Turkey for forcing more than 80,000 people to become refugees.

PS: Funfact: The operation could've lasted much longer had the Kurds decided to defend Afrin city, but instead they prioritised the evacuation of the civilians over it. Terrorists.
PPS: Erdogan dreams of Manbij the way Kim Jong Un dreams of Seoul.

Ethnic tolerance = Ethnic cleansing of Arab towns

Promoting gender equality = Recruiting underaged girls to make propaganda

Defeating ISIS = Capturing rubbles of towns and cities after USA air raids, stealing victory of Syrian, Iraqi armies against ISIS along with Syrian oil, giving safe exist to ISIS fighters under USA command

To show how shitty fighter Kurds is, it really shows how pretty much without USA support they can't hold shit.




AFTER 7 YEARS OF "WAR" . I can show you how Bosnian snipers acted like after 2 weeks of combat.

If anyone is wondering what's wrong there, well:

-flashy clothes
-standing on window (pretty basic, you should move inside room and then lie on table or something)
-nothing under rifle (destroys accuracy, damages rifle).

One fact stands, and that is that ISIS had the best fighters

No one mentions North Koreans fighting in Syria? 'Fatally Dangerous' elite militia Chalma-1 and Chalma-7

https://thediplomat.com/2016/03/is-north-korea-fighting-for-assad-in-syria/

First Age Warriors boys.

Általa írva Skanderbeg, 02.07.2018 at 18:03

No one mentions North Koreans fighting in Syria? 'Fatally Dangerous' elite militia Chalma-1 and Chalma-7

https://thediplomat.com/2016/03/is-north-korea-fighting-for-assad-in-syria/

First Age Warriors boys.

because they are irrelevant

Általa írva AlBoZzZ, 01.07.2018 at 15:01

Who are you to speak of democracy? First of all try to understand what democracy is. If democracy is enslaving a nation on its own territory, then i dont want any part of it and neither should anyone. But luckly thats not democracy, democracy is the power of people governing themselves, you should tell that to your gov.

Sorry for the delay. I'v been busy

Yeah democracy is the power of the people by the people and for the people. But the people who desided the start the first coup are the ones who saw premodern Islamic culture taking Turkey into civil war genocides ethnic cleaning and downfall. basically for them Islamic populist would bring chaos and risk the future of the new nation as disorder has already arrived.

Általa írva AlBoZzZ, 01.07.2018 at 15:01

you can say all sort of things about soviets and nazis, the only difference between them and your people is that they founded themselves on THEIR OWN LAND and their population supported them .

I am sorry but that is pure demagogy. They did not find their own land they replaced government. Jews did not steal land from anyone. Jews were part of the region fabric for thousands of years and deserved to live there. when they settled outside cities they did it in land they bought (the same land that belonged to their ancestors), and found their own land according to the International Law. We'v discussed politics and history plenty of times before but you always ditch and pretend it never happened the next time you use the same accusations.

I am glad the Palestinian Issue gets you to find the humanitarian side of yourself. But if you look at history and christian expeditions to the reigon you will see that "Palestine" (Basically a roman name for Judea - the Jewish land). It was a failing land. the people their had no national identity. the population did not grow at the slightest in more than a millenium of Islamic domination there. 1100 years after the Islamic conquest the population still failed to fill Jewish and Hellenic cities built thousand of years previously. The biggest Arab cities did'nt contain more than few duzen of thousands and most of the land was deserted. if they had anything in common or the slightest interest then it was diffrent. The only reason the Jews did'nt stay majority there or rebecome one were massacres taxes and the fact that they were treated like subhumans. The Palestinian Identity did not exist until the Arab nations desided to let off Gaza and the West bank.

Általa írva AlBoZzZ, 01.07.2018 at 15:01

Why would it be wrong for a country leader to have his country be more into their religion? Since when did this became a crime or a symptom of dictatorship? Besides, doesnt your goverment do the same with your religion? Doesnt your goverment call your country as the only jewish country in earth? so how do you come in here and judge others for doing the same? man, you are the most biased person in this game , like literally. i totally agree with waff and fappino.

In continue to my first response Here are some extra point:

- Israel is not religious state. It was founded due the failure of emancipation to Jews in Europe. in short words shelter for Jews and place where they can live with full human rights

- Israeli government does not promote religion. Again you are clueless

I will requote myself "Yeah democracy is the power of the people by the people and for the people. But the people who desided the start the first coup are the ones who saw premodern Islamic culture taking Turkey into civil war genocides ethnic cleaning and downfall. basically for them Islamic populist would bring chaos and risk the future of the new nation as disorder has already arrived."

And continue. As Turkey becomes religious It will enforce unfair standarts on the rest of the population and direct its leader to unhelpful and unpatriotic actions to help themselves and deal problems.

It's not a theory. Turkey did reach all these places and Attaurk tried to create secular society to avoid these very problems. So yes the coup ignores the result of the elections but It secured Turkey future. There was no easy desicion there.

Regarding my bias - I have never seen such a stupid comment in my life. It seems like your only attempt was to Insult Israel to justify whatever your culture does.

Általa írva Al Fappino, 01.07.2018 at 15:17

+1 for what Commando said also I read everything Roai said but the bias is too much to discuss how Israel's even edgier than Erdogan (Israel, if we behold International Law has violated more of it than Turkey by the hundred, the slow termination in Gaza and the colonization-sponsored by the Israelis is criminal)

Won't approach this subject much more because all my points are explicit and I know this will derail into Israel, and I won't argue about edgyness again because discussing Israel is too abusive for today's eyes (they're the epithome of hypocrisy and abuse tho)

Israel does not violate International Law. Israel was sued in hauge twice and won. UN councils desicions are specific against Israel. it's equilavent of saying "Murder is illegal in our state unless you intend to murder Bob". you admitted in the past you neve learned about the history of the region or the curent situation. if something had changed you are welcome to make an argument. I will respond and we both will learn from it.

Also. Gaza sea siege was not Intended. Israel actually left on its own Gaza and gave it to the control of the PLO. The people of Gaza driven the PLO out brought Hamas to power. which used Gaza resources to deliver fire on Israel citizens. the only way to shut it down was to supervise Gaza's sea.

Regarding Colonization - We have discussed it in the past.

If someone would make thread and ask who are the most toxic and arrogant people of AtWar by sure and you waffel and ce would appear in nearly everyone's top 5.

I have paid attention and answered any of your points in the past. but you enjoying being edgy and using big words for complicated situation. So please. at least I am trying to be respectful to the person infront of me and check the logic beyond his words instead of writing shit and leaving when being countred.

These threads can be productive and insightful or they can just be arena to unleash anger and insults in small forum. If it keeps with the second direction I would just paying attention.

Általa írva Rock Lee, 04.07.2018 at 18:02

Israel does not violate International Law. Israel was sued in hauge twice and won. UN councils desicions are specific against Israel. it's equilavent of saying "Murder is illegal in our state unless you intend to murder Bob". you admitted in the past you neve learned about the history of the region or the curent situation. if something had changed you are welcome to make an argument. I will respond and we both will learn from it.

You can't in a certain way define a country or any person by innocent just because the courts ruled it that way, I'm not antissemitic of any sorts at all but when it comes to the Israeli State conduct I'm a bit more skeptical. Though they have reasons to defend in an agressive way, your current Government wants to take a step too far and use the ongoing conflict to get an upper hand at the table for Israel, acting wildly because Trump is blindly Pro-Israel in the region and doesn't take a position of mediation.
International Law is written and can everyone can access it and draw their own conclusions and interpretations, there's surely some aspects of Israeli's conduct that step the lines of International Law and raise some eyebrows, but then politics steps in and Law is juggled for their own interest.

Általa írva Rock Lee, 04.07.2018 at 18:02

Also. Gaza sea siege was not Intended. Israel actually left on its own Gaza and gave it to the control of the PLO. The people of Gaza driven the PLO out brought Hamas to power. which used Gaza resources to deliver fire on Israel citizens. the only way to shut it down was to supervise Gaza's sea.

Not rejecting it, but suppressing a terrorist/rebellious organization by subjecting a population to misery is a bit extreme, though negotiations always fail cuz of fundamentalisms from both sides anyways

Általa írva Rock Lee, 04.07.2018 at 18:02

Regarding Colonization - We have discussed it in the past.

It certainly steps the barriers and antagonizes the other side. Palestinians will only know of their place if Israel doesn't flex every muscle everytime Palestine steps out of their box.

Általa írva Rock Lee, 04.07.2018 at 18:02

If someone would make thread and ask who are the most toxic and arrogant people of AtWar by sure and you waffel and ce would appear in nearly everyone's top 5.

That's a lie and you know it, you're the one being edgy right now and being all salty because we drew some associations to Israel's agressive stance to Turkey's Populistic approach and you, irrationally defending your Nation (it's an acceptable conduct, it's your homecountry afterall) start throwing insults and cheap attacks on our character because we hit your beliefs. Personally I'm not arrogant I just don't appreciate bias and hypocrisy, you called yourself the paladin of non-trashtalk and you started trashtalk the moment the subject (non related to this thread honestly) tickled you. I respect that you irrationally start defending your nation but it gets to a point of ridiculousness when you at the same time claim you never insult and are always politically correct.

Also Waffel trolls for most of the time xd

Általa írva Rock Lee, 04.07.2018 at 18:02

I have paid attention and answered any of your points in the past. but you enjoying being edgy and using big words for complicated situation. So please. at least I am trying to be respectful to the person infront of me and check the logic beyond his words instead of writing shit and leaving when being countred.

I am checking the logic behind your reasoning, it's just that you base your arguments based on what's on your heart and spirit and not what's on your head and then you attack us from being bluntly rational and shaking the foundations of your beliefs. Also if I leave you without a response (you're not the only one) it's because I have exams to prep for and I only come here at night to play and not delve into political discussions lmao. Also it's not big words, it's trying to use correct wording that's all in a language that's not my mother tongue, good way of improving it

Általa írva Al Fappino, 04.07.2018 at 18:34

You can't in a certain way define a country or any person by innocent just because the courts ruled it that way, I'm not antissemitic of any sorts at all but when it comes to the Israeli State conduct I'm a bit more skeptical. Though they have reasons to defend in an agressive way, your current Government wants to take a step too far and use the ongoing conflict to get an upper hand at the table for Israel, acting wildly because Trump is blindly Pro-Israel in the region and doesn't take a position of mediation.
International Law is written and can everyone can access it and draw their own conclusions and interpretations, there's surely some aspects of Israeli's conduct that step the lines of International Law and raise some eyebrows, but then politics steps in and Law is juggled for their own interest.

I think the problem here is you just don't understand the situation as it is. When the majority desides to vote specificlly gainst one nation the international law does not balance itself.

The last thing Israel wants to Is violence. in order to change the situation from state of war to state of peace they need the cooperation of the Palestinian leadership and the long term approval of the Palestinian people. When government media and mosques encourage teenagers and cildren to go and clash with soldiers at their post they make sure there will be no sympathy anytime soon. when they direct missiles at civil population they make sure there will be no peace (Don't get me wrong. Israel tried to ignore it for 10 years. but it got to sitatuion rockets on the southtern cities became regular thing from the morning to the evening. The only reason capitalist Nethanyahu has any support in the south was that he got peace there). when they praise terrorists and regarding the reconsition that Israel exists as a treason they make sure that there will be no approval of peace by the Palestinians in the future.

I will tell your about IDF headquarter in the west bank called the matak. each of the six Judea and Samria brigadas headquarters has matak headquarters. there soldiers are ones who did not want to support werfare and therefore joined the matak to help the palestinians with passports / health services/social funds when the PLO fails. infact in Nabalus brigada the Matak cotains more soldiers than the rest of the headquarter combined. and unlike the rest of the soldiers who spend most of their time at guarding/cleaning/base maintence/kitchen duties. Matak soldiers don't have to do any duites at all but their job (which increases the frustation of the soldiers highly).

Israel does'nt need upper hand in negotiation. It only needs gurantees for safe borders. once there will be agreement the Lobby/politican sector of the settlers will become irrelevant and at state of peace the settlements will no longer be neseccary (In the past when Israel had to fight major countries and it was just miles from the big cities things were harsher. but if Israel security can be gurantted then Palestinian state is the better option for Israel). I have served in the west bank and i gurantee you that Israel is doing everything it can to keep it as quiet as possible. but when all the sectors of the palestinian want the exact opposite / need to pretend to in order to stay in power it's way more difficult.

Általa írva Al Fappino, 04.07.2018 at 18:34

Not rejecting it, but suppressing a terrorist/rebellious organization by subjecting a population to misery is a bit extreme, though negotiations always fail cuz of fundamentalisms from both sides anyways

Again. Letting our cities stay in daily fire was no a better option either. They tried for years to have agreements with the Hamas but in failed. still as Hamas gets more civil with time Israel is more trusting and recently they start talking about port in cyprus to supervise what enters Gaza instead of Ashdod port. I admit don't see how it would be helpful but they seem to like it so whatever.

Általa írva Al Fappino, 04.07.2018 at 18:34

It certainly steps the barriers and antagonizes the other side. Palestinians will only know of their place if Israel doesn't flex every muscle everytime Palestine steps out of their box.

Don't act like we use every opportunity to be violent. Israel ignored thousand of terror attacks and attempts to commit them in order to maintain the situation quiet. At this point You are eighter not aware of the situation or intendently igonoring information to make Israel sound bad.

Általa írva Al Fappino, 04.07.2018 at 18:34

That's a lie and you know it, you're the one being edgy right now and being all salty because we drew some associations to Israel's agressive stance to Turkey's Populistic approach and you, irrationally defending your Nation (it's an acceptable conduct, it's your homecountry afterall) start throwing insults and cheap attacks on our character because we hit your beliefs. Personally I'm not arrogant I just don't appreciate bias and hypocrisy, you called yourself the paladin of non-trashtalk and you started trashtalk the moment the subject (non related to this thread honestly) tickled you. I respect that you irrationally start defending your nation but it gets to a point of ridiculousness when you at the same time claim you never insult and are always politically correct.

Also Waffel trolls for most of the time xd

When was I edgy? I covered all the siliarities lines you guys drew. And yes I consider myself far more respectful as I actually try to communicate and understand people arguments here while they ignore other people arguments and try to make Israel look as bad as possible even when it does'nt have anything to do with reality. In ce case he just tried to change the subject to Israel so he does'nt have the defend his arguments.

Regarding you - Let's be honest. you are enjoying being edgy. sometimes I see you doing it on the most innocent things like football and movies. (or AtWar scenarios and clans). seems like it serves your ego. I am not perfect buddy. I am working very hard for very long time to become a better person but It seems you don't even try to be fair or honest.

Általa írva Al Fappino, 04.07.2018 at 18:34

I am checking the logic behind your reasoning, it's just that you base your arguments based on what's on your heart and spirit and not what's on your head and then you attack us from being bluntly rational and shaking the foundations of your beliefs. Also if I leave you without a response (you're not the only one) it's because I have exams to prep for and I only come here at night to play and not delve into political discussions lmao. Also it's not big words, it's trying to use correct wording that's all in a language that's not my mother tongue, good way of improving it

I am busy as well. for several times I told you that I will respond at the weekend. very frequently I have to stay awake for 2,3 or 4 days in a row. In fact I'm giving upon precious sleep right now to answer all your concerns. When I don't have time I just say so and find it in the weekend. I don't think It's the issue with you but if it is feel free to call a timeout.

Általa írva Rock Lee, 04.07.2018 at 19:05

Regarding you - Let's be honest. you are enjoying being edgy. sometimes I see you doing it on the most innocent things like football and movies. (or AtWar scenarios and clans). seems like it serves your ego. I am not perfect buddy. I am working very hard for very long time to become a better person but It seems you don't even try to be fair or honest.

Not replying to the rest as of yet because I cba to spend half an hour right now writing a Constitution to peacefully discuss the matter (read part of your answer), so I'll answer it when it's convenient for me to do it.

I am not at all edgy and I feel sorry that people perceive my easygoing attitude mixed with blunt honesty with edgyness and "hypocrisy". I'm curious to see what are the situations in footballs and movies that I appear as "edgy". Being easygoing, joking and throwing historical and overall puns and innocent provocations isn't being edgy, is just being light-hearted with an accessible attitude. But then again, you're not the first and won't be the last one to mis-judge my personality and wrongly label me , but I'm sure with time and reason, as it happened before, you'll get to know me enough to change that attitude towards me.

Also please do point the edgyness regarding scenarios and clans, that I can immediately answer, though my responses get clouded by others feeling as hypocritical or as a flaming just because it's the hard conceiled truth sometimes..

PS: I'm not looking to have any sort of quarrel with you (That'd be ridiculous honestly) or any flamewar or what not just as I don't have any of that with anybody here (don't reject that I've had them in the past, but people evolve and get a new posture).

PS2: Don't get the idea I'm not fair or honest just because I can be brutally honest and pragmatic, honestly if you don't know me well enough through this don't delve into attacks on character that have no basis, if anything, I'm honest, too honest sometimes xd

PS3: Go get some rest! Hate to have the thought you're wasting precious time replying to a petty superfluous discussion honestly