Republic of Rome
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Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game
gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families
Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.
Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.
Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.
Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power
Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.
Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…
Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.
Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.
Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.
At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.
Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.
At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.
Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.
Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.
Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out
Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game
gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families
Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.
Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.
Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.
Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power
Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.
Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…
Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.
Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.
Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.
At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.
Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.
At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.
Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.
Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.
Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out
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I think we should pay the 25 talents right now. We can't afford a 2 front war. Better pay 25 Talents right now and mop up Carthage next turn, rather than lose 40 talents over those turns (20+20). Idk when I have to say this, but I host games 7 cost, and 1 on equite. BTW Aetius, I had donated 2 talents to Rome in addition to the games. Was that counted? It's not mentioned there. And gow donated 1 Talent too... That gives us treasury of 66 not 63
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That is up for the consuls to decide. And yes the donations were included you can tunnel back through the pastebins.
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 Rome is in the brink of collapse, we need strong leaders, leaders that know what they are doing, leaders with proven military experience. Let it be here and now that I use my power as a tribune to raise the people of Rome to support Phoenix as a temporal Dictator to crush Carthage and all the enemies of Rome that lay outside the gates and beyond. Follow me to the gates of the Senate Floor, and demand that Phoenix is installed as Dictator. 
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Commanders have failed us again. We need commanders with miliatary knowledge or we are wasting our time and money. +3 on an Equite
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Roll for equite. I blackmail Opiter Caelius to give me his equite. Make him an offer he can't refuse.
---- If a game is around long enough, people will find the most efficient way to play it and start playing it like robots
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By Jupiter what nonsense is this!  I would like to remind my fellow Senator that only an ex-Consul can be nominated or chosen as a Dictator. Senator Phoenix was never elected Consul. Thus, your demands to institute him as a Dictator are unconstitutional, invalid, and an affront to the integrity of the Senate, the Roman Republic, and it's laws. I fear for the continued stability of Rome if men are allowed to demand things of the Senate, and are granted them.
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Considering we do not even have a beachead in Sicily yet, we can easily send our Legions to face the Gallic raiders while our fleet is still busy facing the Carthaginians at sea.
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Enigma again created clan-based faction. Typical. Am i the only one trying to play this differently than other games? Damn i was even allied in the faction with people totally different than me.
---- If a game is around long enough, people will find the most efficient way to play it and start playing it like robots
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this must be a joke XAXA
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I say crush the Illyrians, and use the spoils to crush the Gauls before Mace or Carth forms an Alliance with the Pirates like the barbarians they are. This is if the Consuls decide not to pay the Gauls to leave Roma in peace.
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We need ships to attack Illyria don't ask me why I still don't know
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This is a falsehood!, Consulship is not needed to become a Dictator and Savior of Rome. If we don't elect Phoenix as a dictator now, the republic will collapse soon.
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Elect Phoenix as Dictator for a change.
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Dictator - Absolute Commander of the State (must be an ex-Consul) +7 influence Nominations: Only if 3 or more active wars or an active war a combined land and fleet strength ≥ 20. No vote requried, picked by the Consuls , can be one of themselves, or anyone else they pick. If they can't agree no dictator will be appointed. A Dictator may also be proposed via the use of a Tribune and voted on against. Powers: He handles all the proposals by himself, may raise legions/fleets without a vote, appoint commands without a vote. He must also appoint a master of horse. Senator, please note that neither is Phoenix a former Consul, nor does Rome have 3 active wars, merely the Punic and Gallic wars are active. Illyria is an inactive war as is Macedonia and with Phillip dead, they aren't a threat this year (turn) I also dislike your implication that only Phoenix can save Rome. He is no Hercules Senator. He is no hero.
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or an active war a combined land and fleet strength ≥ 20. Carthage has a strength of 26 The ex-consulship thing was edited in, the rule doesn't apply in the original game, this is the GM cheating to keep his faction in power just like how assassinations were removed until turn 6
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A combined land and Fleet strength ≥ 20 Carthage actually has 10 legions and 10 fleets, in such a calculation the Syracuse don't count. I will grant that Carthage is 20 strength, but like it or not Senator Phoenix is not an exConsul and these are the rules of Rome. Assassinations became autistic so they were banned. Please refrain from insulting the integrity of the GM without proof. You say it was edited in? SS it and prove it. (tbh even if you do ss, he could just have forgotten to type it then)
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The game is rigged and Aetius knows it, Assassinations only affected enigma because enigma was the only entity of players that hoarded power. Those "Ex-Consulship" requirements are bullshit this allows a group of 6 individuals to pass consulship and positions to themselves forever as they accommodate concessions and power, without assassination is impossible to keep such people from doing trickery. First game only Enigma and Optimate clan members were consuls, with Tito and JF being consuls once as token candidates. During the second game Enigma and Optimates were consuls all the time, During this 3rd time Enigma and Optimates are consuls once again and due to how the game works this will keep going until turn 6 when the game will probably end due to not sharing power.
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All assassination rules should be lifted, if you are dangerous or stupid enough to be the target of assassination then you perhaps should share power more often.
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2nd game Enigma was Consuls all the time??  gow was assassinated early, and I don't remember if Tirp or I were elected. No way we were 'Consuls all the time'  I recall Phoenix was Consul 2 or 3 times though...
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Where's the extra 6 coming from
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Support, there should be a way to fight power whoring nepotic leaders. They can prosecute us and keep themselves in perpetual power. We cant even kill them for 5 turns. The only people who complained about the rules of assassination were power whores who are too stupid to avoid making people angry at them. You have that darth tard waving his dick around telling everybody how great his faction is. He is doing this because he knows there are no reprecussion until turn 6. Change the rules of assassination back to what they were . Maybe no assassination turn 1 is understandable but not till turn 6 which is literally 90% the duration of last game
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I recall you were assassinated last game too  maybe you should practice what you preach and share power?? You guys are accusing us of hoarding power. The fact is, we aren't trying to do an Enigma led coup okay? You guys are so ridiculously paranoid, just because of 1 game that failed badly idk what logic you guys are using. There is no way we can repeat what we did 1st game because: 1.first game faction was formed after we were elected; 2.there were 3 other people in the faction other than me, Tirp and gow, but for some reason you guys are focusing almost solely on me and gow 3. You guys hold the votes....
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Turn 1: FIELD CONSUL Tirpitz406 (ENIGMA) ROME CONSUL GodofWar (ENIGMA) Propose: Consul Vote 1)Darth & Aetius (ENIGMA & OPTIMATES) 2)aurum & Pavle (OPTIMATES & Token Vote) Censor Vote 1)GodofWar (ENIGMA) 2)Tirpitz406 (ENIGMA) TUrn 2: FIELD CONSUL Aetius (OPTIMATES) ROME CONSUL Darth (ENIGMA) Propose: Consul Vote 1)MrArmy987 & Safari (OPTIMATES & Token Vote) 2)Pyrrhus & GodofWar (OPTIMATES & ENIGMA) Censor Vote 1)Aetius (OPTIMATES) 2)Darth (ENIGMA) Turn 3: FIELD CONSUL Pyrrhus (OPTIMATES) ROME CONSUL GodofWar (ENIGMA) THEY ARE RIPPING YOU GUYS OFF, AND YOU GUYS DON"T EVEN FUCKING KNOW IT
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Lol I never even boasted about my faction xa. I was smug about the first game, but that is irrelevant to this game, because it's 2 games later and it was another game, another host. BTW by that logic, you're going around making crap posts like this this game because of the no assassinations thing. Last 2 games, you barely had an opinion
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Listen insolent child, the factor that tunder VOLUNTEERED TO BE ASSASSINATED and then not bitch about the rules says something his character.
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