After long period of not making any topic here, I decided to start one interesting debate
Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks depicts a supposedly historical tableau, set in 1676, and based on the legend of Cossacks sending a reply to an ultimatum of the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. According to the story, the Zaporozhian Cossacks (from 'beyond the rapids', Ukrainian: za porohamy), inhabiting the lands around the lower Dnieper River in Ukraine, had defeated Ottoman Empire forces in battle. However, Mehmed demanded that the Cossacks submit to Turkish rule. The Cossacks, led by Ivan Sirko, replied in an uncharacteristic manner: they wrote a letter, replete with insults and profanities. The painting exhibits the Cossacks' pleasure at striving to come up with ever more base vulgarities. During Repin's time, the Cossacks enjoyed great popular sympathy. Repin also admired them: "All that Gogol wrote about them is true! A holy people! No one in the world held so deeply freedom, equality, and fraternity.
Idézet:
Sultan Mehmed IV to the Zaporozhian Cossacks:
As the Sultan; son of Muhammad; brother of the sun and moon; grandson and viceroy of God; ruler of the kingdoms of Macedonia, Babylon, Jerusalem, Upper and Lower Egypt; emperor of emperors; sovereign of sovereigns; extraordinary knight, never defeated; steadfast guardian of the tomb of Jesus Christ; trustee chosen by God Himself; the hope and comfort of Muslims; confounder and great defender of Christians - I command you, the Zaporogian Cossacks, to submit to me voluntarily and without any resistance, and to desist from troubling me with your attacks.
--Turkish Sultan Mehmed IV
The Cossacks' reply came as a stream of invective and vulgar rhymes, parodying the Sultan's titles:[citation needed]
Idézet:
Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan!
O sultan, Turkish devil and damned devil's kith and kin, secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight are thou, that canst not slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil shits, and your army eats. Thou shalt not, thou son of a whore, make subjects of Christian sons; we have no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck thy mother.
Thou Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, pig of Armenia, Podolian thief, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, an idiot before God, grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow, screw thine own mother!
So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. You won't even be herding pigs for the Christians. Now we'll conclude, for we don't know the date and don't own a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year with the Lord, the day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!
- Koshovyi otaman Ivan Sirko, with the whole Zaporozhian Host.
Yeah funny little bit of history i also stumbled upon on when reading about the cossacks , apparently this is what their reaction was reading and replying to the sultan , hilarious
Sigh, the good old days when cossacks still didn't go into autism thinking they are ukrainians(translation: ukraine - region; ukrainian - regionalist), descendants of the ukri people (puked in my mouth when read this info).
Their haircut was cooler too.
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If a game is around long enough, people will find the most efficient way to play it and start playing it like robots
Sigh, the good old days when cossacks still didn't go into autism thinking they are ukrainians(translation: ukraine - region; ukrainian - regionalist), descendants of the ukri people (puked in my mouth when read this info).
Their haircut was cooler too.
God, do you need to read every topic in your own way to make this into flame war? Nice try I guess, but I won't let you ruin my topic.
Ukraine never existed before and between Russian Kiev (Kievan Rus). When Mongols invaded Europe they won and Russians moved Northeast to Moskva river, which was heavily forested and made Mongols unable to use horses to fight Russians there. Isolated there, Russians built a city Moskva, named after the river (Moscow). After few century of growing stronger, they started to expand, reunite East Slavic lands and conquer Turkic one, beating Mongols, but by that time Kiev was in Polish Catholic hands and most of people there didn't had identity because they fought for survival for centuries (they were between Crimean muslimTatars supported by the Ottoman Empire and Mongol Horde aided by muslim central asian turks).
They were Cossacks, who in those wars and years and simplistic way of life (due to constant muslim and mongol raids), created unique culture, which was later unable to integrate into organized society like Europeans made, and always were semi-free in their steppes, for 1000 years. Then communists won in the revolution, carved Russian lands into republics and named them Ukrainians, which mean 'regionalists', and after 80 years they became independent. Quarter century later they start oppressing Russian minority, and as i said they were unable to integrate into modern (relative to history) society, they use violence like third world country to solve problems. Terror, rape, bombing civilian area, burning people in buildings, not to mention kidnapping of their own politicians and businessmen.
Compared to civilized Belarus which is able to live in modern society, have normal relations with both Europe and Russia, use advantages like no-passport zone with Russia and utilize its market, Ukraine is unable to do it, like they are unaware their economy trade 90% with Russia. When war started, they sanctioned Russia and went back to Stone Age.
Now what did you say, you won't let me?
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If a game is around long enough, people will find the most efficient way to play it and start playing it like robots
Ukraine never existed before and between Russian Kiev (Kievan Rus). When Mongols invaded Europe they won and Russians moved Northeast to Moskva river, which was heavily forested and made Mongols unable to use horses to fight Russians there. Isolated there, Russians built a city Moskva, named after the river (Moscow). After few century of growing stronger, they started to expand, reunite East Slavic lands and conquer Turkic one, beating Mongols, but by that time Kiev was in Polish Catholic hands and most of people there didn't had identity because they fought for survival for centuries (they were between Crimean muslimTatars supported by the Ottoman Empire and Mongol Horde aided by muslim central asian turks).
They were Cossacks, who in those wars and years and simplistic way of life (due to constant muslim and mongol raids), created unique culture, which was later unable to integrate into organized society like Europeans made, and always were semi-free in their steppes, for 1000 years. Then communists won in the revolution, carved Russian lands into republics and named them Ukrainians, which mean 'regionalists', and after 80 years they became independent. Quarter century later they start oppressing Russian minority, and as i said they were unable to integrate into modern (relative to history) society, they use violence like third world country to solve problems. Terror, rape, bombing civilian area, burning people in buildings, not to mention kidnapping of their own politicians and businessmen.
Compared to civilized Belarus which is able to live in modern society, have normal relations with both Europe and Russia, use advantages like no-passport zone with Russia and utilize its market, Ukraine is unable to do it, like they are unaware their economy trade 90% with Russia. When war started, they sanctioned Russia and went back to Stone Age.
Ukraine never existed before and between Russian Kiev (Kievan Rus). When Mongols invaded Europe they won and Russians moved Northeast to Moskva river, which was heavily forested and made Mongols unable to use horses to fight Russians there. Isolated there, Russians built a city Moskva, named after the river (Moscow). After few century of growing stronger, they started to expand, reunite East Slavic lands and conquer Turkic one, beating Mongols, but by that time Kiev was in Polish Catholic hands and most of people there didn't had identity because they fought for survival for centuries (they were between Crimean muslimTatars supported by the Ottoman Empire and Mongol Horde aided by muslim central asian turks).
They were Cossacks, who in those wars and years and simplistic way of life (due to constant muslim and mongol raids), created unique culture, which was later unable to integrate into organized society like Europeans made, and always were semi-free in their steppes, for 1000 years. Then communists won in the revolution, carved Russian lands into republics and named them Ukrainians, which mean 'regionalists', and after 80 years they became independent. Quarter century later they start oppressing Russian minority, and as i said they were unable to integrate into modern (relative to history) society, they use violence like third world country to solve problems. Terror, rape, bombing civilian area, burning people in buildings, not to mention kidnapping of their own politicians and businessmen.
Compared to civilized Belarus which is able to live in modern society, have normal relations with both Europe and Russia, use advantages like no-passport zone with Russia and utilize its market, Ukraine is unable to do it, like they are unaware their economy trade 90% with Russia. When war started, they sanctioned Russia and went back to Stone Age.
Now what did you say, you won't let me?
how is this relevent to the topic...
He is just trying to turn this into Ukrainian crisis flame war.
