How stealth units work?

Hello,

Ok i am kinda new player but I have played already more than 10 games. In one game what I lost I got nerfed really hard I had nearly whole america and guy from europe-afrika was attack me. He mostly used stealh bombers and marines. What was nerving me he started to capture some of my cities like he telepoted in tham. I had capitol in New Lakes USA whole north america was mine so i had very long view range outside of my captiol also i had 2 centry planes near it. In the end he won not because he defeted my army but he holded it for 2 turns and i couldn't recapture it coz in it he had bunch of tanks,infantry marines and stealhbombers.

So my questions about stealh in this game
1. What are all options to detect and protect from stealth (like capitol)?
2. How is he cloacked tanks and infantry does that means when in my groups i have 1 stealth unit all will became cloacked?
3. When i am using stealth units of my own how can I tell if enemy is detected me and what should i do to make sure he doesn't detect me?

If there are some secret buttons for i don't know please post a screenshot

PS. Did you know that game can be played outside of browser and than chat works in fullscreen ...

Question 1: Proper use of Sentry Planes
Question 2: Not possible. The only units able to stealth are marines, submarines and stealth fighters.
Question 3: Master of Stealth Demonstration

And yes, I did know that one can play the game outside of the browser. Welcome to Afterwind.

Általa írva learster, 22.09.2012 at 07:48

Question 1: Proper use of Sentry Planes
Question 2: Not possible. The only units able to stealth are marines, submarines and stealth fighters.
Question 3: Master of Stealth Demonstration

And yes, I did know that one can play the game outside of the browser. Welcome to Afterwind.

Well thx for fast answers nice thread "Master of Stealth Demonstration", i like when ppl use screenshots but for some reason i coudn't zoom on your photos. Now i see how you keep them invincible whole time when you were getting to US, you used subs! Well when i get 10 000 SP i might buy MoS and try to play how you play.

But now on start when i have only 4 strategies on my disposal (Tank General,Perfect Defence,Naval Commander and None) what would be best way to play against MoS in my experience alot of high rank players use and win me with marines and combination infantry and marines.
I like whole world games and Tank General strategy because it lets me expand very fast or I use sometimes None strategy so i don't lose my defence.

How to counter MoS is a question with many answers, i am sure you can find a lot of ideas in the Game Strategy Forum.
http://afterwind.com/forum/board.php?board_id=42

The basic defence against MoS/GW are Sentry Planes and Walls.

There's a three-step to properly handling MoS players:


1) Make sure you're not leaving any important regions open (If you don't have units nearby, make sure there's plenty of cities with nice reinforcement counts in them)

2) Use triple walls (Like you see most experienced players using around their capitals) around any cities with 4+ unit production, or that are caps of any countries. This makes sure that they have to break the walls before attacking, giving you one turn to send units and protect yourself there. You have to make sure you recognize when cities have their walls broken, though!

3) If you have the money, overlapping sentry plane detection field. If not, some other players have tried to come up with effective walls of other units to block stealths, but typically this just leads to stealth players doing the intelligent thing and not sending units where they'd get detected.

I don't know why but I was in impression that marines can go thru walls. I am interested when comes to sentry plane when it detects invincible unit like marine will it just say like notification in window unit is spoted near that and that city or it will show it on map in next round so I can pre-attack it ?

Általa írva KengurBGD, 23.09.2012 at 16:24

I don't know why but I was in impression that marines can go thru walls. I am interested when comes to sentry plane when it detects invincible unit like marine will it just say like notification in window unit is spoted near that and that city or it will show it on map in next round so I can pre-attack it ?

It's a notification that appears at the start of the next turn, and it tells you where/near the stealth was detected.
ex. stealth detected near Paris

OK lets summarize:

1. Stealth units are invincible until they attack enemy or city. After attack they will become always visible to enemy on map until they return to their own city and become invincible again.

2. In defence player can't defend with counter attack against stealth units because there is no way to reveal them on map he can only get notification with sentry plane in what city they are near by.

3. Stealth units can't make other units invincible in group and enemy can't see how many stealth units are in city.

4. If plane transport marines, enemy will only see empty plane, if player transport marines with submarine enemy will see nothing.

5. Best defence against marines and stealth bombers are walls around city's because they first need to attack wall before city and than enemy stealh units will be revealed on map and you can attack tham.

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Things are still don't understand:

1. If i have triangle 3 man defence wall around city (closed tight like everybody do) how player can conquer city without attacking wall first? This happend to me again yesterday.

2. If enemy marines come very close to my city or some other unit/wall inside spotting cyrcle will that reveal marines on map or again i will get just notification?

3. Is sentry plane invincible for enemy?

4.Because marines get bonus against infantry (best defence unit) and I can't counter attack them with high-attack/poor-defence units what would you advise about best unit for defending the city?

Általa írva KengurBGD, 24.09.2012 at 05:26

OK lets summarize:

1. Stealth units are invincible until they attack enemy or city. After attack they will become always visible to enemy on map until they return to their own city and become invincible again.

they are invisible until they walk in a detection radius of any unit (sentry planes have the largest one)

2. In defence player can't defend with counter attack against stealth units because there is no way to reveal them on map he can only get notification with sentry plane in what city they are near by.

any unit can see stealth units if they walk close enough

3. Stealth units can't make other units invincible in group and enemy can't see how many stealth units are in city.

he can see only if he has a unit near the city

4. If plane transport marines, enemy will only see empty plane, if player transport marines with submarine enemy will see nothing.

this is true

5. Best defence against marines and stealth bombers are walls around city's because they first need to attack wall before city and than enemy stealh units will be revealed on map and you can attack tham.

this is correct, also it helps to set up a detection perimeter with either a huge wall, scattered milita, scattered sentries depending on money you get

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Things are still don't understand:

1. If i have triangle 3 man defence wall around city (closed tight like everybody do) how player can conquer city without attacking wall first? This happend to me again yesterday.

this is a bug probably

2. If enemy marines come very close to my city or some other unit/wall inside spotting cyrcle will that reveal marines on map or again i will get just notification?

they will be revealed and you get a notification

3. Is sentry plane invincible for enemy?

yes it is

4.Because marines get bonus against infantry (best defence unit) and I can't counter attack them with high-attack/poor-defence units what would you advise about best unit for defending the city?

you can coutner attack them if you find them, any attacking unit will do since marines have low defence, even stacked infantry can kill marines if it catches them on defece, the bonus you mention is +1 to marines' defence against infantry, not attack. Therefore it is best to defend with infantry in cities against marines. With the bonus they get marines defence versus infantry is 4, which is equal to infantry attack in most strategies.

Általa írva Aristosseur, 24.09.2012 at 06:05

[*all answers from previous post*]

Well thx for those nice answers now things are much more clarified