Italian election

Who will win ?

Who?

Do you have a conservitive party, or is it liberal vs neo-Liberal vs centrist left vs communists like most of europe?

Me

Általa írva SyrianDevil, 07.02.2018 at 07:54

Me

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Democrats will win but i think the goverment will be hard to achieve...Pepe Grilo and Berlusconi will gain many votes.

I voted for Benito Mussolini.

Általa írva 4nic, 07.02.2018 at 08:47

I voted for Benito Mussolini.

same

Általa írva Helly, 07.02.2018 at 07:47

Do you have a conservitive party, or is it liberal vs neo-Liberal vs centrist left vs communists like most of europe?

We have a conservative party, we're the exception!

Bunga Bunga Berlusconi

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Általa írva Helly, 07.02.2018 at 07:47

Do you have a conservitive party, or is it liberal vs neo-Liberal vs centrist left vs communists like most of europe?

not in europe but we have an internet party and legalize cannabis party too

Hi im gay

Vote for Berlusconi!!!! Uraaaa

That's boring, only American, Russian and Chinese politics are interesting.

The rest are vassals unfortunately, nothing they do bears weight or have meaning.

Általa írva Skanderbeg, 11.02.2018 at 12:22

That's boring, only American, Russian and Chinese politics are interesting.

The rest are vassals unfortunately, nothing they do bears weight or have meaning.

#imstillwaitingforww3

Általa írva SyrianDevil, 11.02.2018 at 13:21

#imstillwaitingforww3

Not gonna happen while Putin is in power. West is pushing hard for WW3 by bringing NATO troops to eastern europe, supplying nazis in Ukraine to kill russians(and non-obeying ukrainians), funding US nukes more and withdrawing from nuclear treaties, removing any dissenting voice in Washington and Brussels who do not follow anti-russian stance and ban all debates on Western civilization and relations with Russia, but Putin is playing smart and not allowing things to escalate: not threatening West, not sending more nukes and troops to Western Russia, but even sending them to Far East, not funding military more than needed (60bn only), and not fueling hate in russian media like West is doing with their msm.

Russia can blitz Ukraine to save russians and non-nazi ukrainians there, but that will be excuse for NATO to start WW3, not worth it, better let hundreds die in Donbass then millions (thanks to West), its choosing from bigger evil and lesser evil, as Putin said back in 2014. Russia is growing stronger in peacetime so no need to fight, it is West which need war to maintain their hierarchy, because it is crumbling under their own weight (debt, social unrest & crime/corruption).







Putin will surely win presidential election this march, and stay in power for the next 6 years, so we are guaranteed peace for that time, but after that, some other will become the president, and if that person is unreliable like communist Zyuganov or nationalist Zhirinovsky, then there will be war. And then West will cry for good old Putin the peacemaker.


That's why italian elections are not important, we all know pro-war anti-russian must lead Italy. Otherwise, if he wants peace and trade with Russia as some sane person, he will be kidnapped, killed and replaced with another vassal. It already happened in Italy before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Aldo_Moro
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1581425/US-envoy-admits-role-in-Aldo-Moro-killing.html

Általa írva Skanderbeg, 11.02.2018 at 12:22

That's boring, only American, Russian and Chinese politics are interesting.

-> Russian
-> Chinese


Ah yes, their Political System is so interesting. Man, that monoparty system sure gives me a boner, seeing all those rigged/biased elections and the same winner over and over again almost makes me wet

Általa írva Al Fappino, 18.02.2018 at 19:26

-> Russian
-> Chinese


Ah yes, their Political System is so interesting. Man, that monoparty system sure gives me a boner, seeing all those rigged/biased elections and the same winner over and over again almost makes me wet

You repeat basic liberal propaganda... the one that made half of westerners believe Russia is still communist closed country, and China is the baddie, while there's recenlty-blood-thirsty Japan nearby. It's really sad.

But i'll counter 'your argument' this way: tell me one US president who was not:

pro-family
pro-jesus
pro-morals
pro-israel
anti-russia
anti-china
anti-communism
anti-drugs
anti-free military industry of america

No matter how much West boast freedom and democracy, always the same character wins the elections, its just different person and so there is no change for decades. Even when first black became president, he literally behaved and talk like white, not a single negro trait in him. Its clear to everyone that election campaigns are just circus for the masses. Same party wins everytime, and that party is not democrats or republicans, they are not even registered as political party, they keep behind the spotlight.

And that's why 50% of America got angry when Trump won, because he was not meant to be president, he doesn't follow the agenda i listed above and half of population is so brainwashed that they used to old system, like his predecessors. Instead he won fair and square like democracy prescribed.




P.S.
Let me poke anti-putin liberals here, fun fact: Franklin Roosevelt won 4 elections in America, that's 1 more than Putin, but no one called him dictator, autocrat, oligarch-friendly or Roosevelt's America

http://prntscr.com/igznqd

Általa írva Skanderbeg, 19.02.2018 at 12:57

You repeat basic liberal propaganda... the one that made half of westerners believe Russia is still communist closed country, and China is the baddie, while there's recenlty-blood-thirsty Japan nearby. It's really sad.

But i'll counter 'your argument' this way: tell me one US president who was not:

pro-family
pro-jesus
pro-morals
pro-israel
anti-russia
anti-china
anti-communism
anti-drugs
anti-free military industry of america

No matter how much West boast freedom and democracy, always the same character wins the elections, its just different person and so there is no change for decades. Even when first black became president, he literally behaved and talk like white, not a single negro trait in him. Its clear to everyone that election campaigns are just circus for the masses. Same party wins everytime, and that party is not democrats or republicans, they are not even registered as political party, they keep behind the spotlight.

And that's why 50% of America got angry when Trump won, because he was not meant to be president, he doesn't follow the agenda i listed above and half of population is so brainwashed that they used to old system, like his predecessors. Instead he won fair and square like democracy prescribed.




P.S.
Let me poke anti-putin liberals here, fun fact: Franklin Roosevelt won 4 elections in America, that's 1 more than Putin, but no one called him dictator, autocrat, oligarch-friendly or Roosevelt's America

http://prntscr.com/igznqd

Okay I talked about 1 thing and you made a Thesis about Western Russophobia, classic.

I simply mentioned the nature of their political system within an autocratic political regime and that is widely accepted by political scientists and Constitutionalists throughout, who classify those nations as Autocratic, or Iliberal or Ademocratic. I do not base myself on Liberal Propaganda as some people base themselves on when they charge on you, I actually base it on reading and lightly (yet) studying the nature of those 2 political realities.

So please, what's with the thesis?

Általa írva Al Fappino, 19.02.2018 at 17:57

Okay I talked about 1 thing and you made a Thesis about Western Russophobia, classic.

I simply mentioned the nature of their political system within an autocratic political regime and that is widely accepted by political scientists and Constitutionalists throughout, who classify those nations as Autocratic, or Iliberal or Ademocratic. I do not base myself on Liberal Propaganda as some people base themselves on when they charge on you, I actually base it on reading and lightly (yet) studying the nature of those 2 political realities.

So please, what's with the thesis?

1. this is not twitter, which force you to write single lines

2: Here you go again... That's the problem, your view is shaped by american deep state since 70 years ago, and until that changes you cannot independently shape a view about the East.

After 70 years of establishing set of rules that have to be followed by the system, you only have to come here and say 2 words which are easily accepted (because the machinery is already running), while we need 2 pages to explain you real situation, why you are wrong and why's that.

99% of your media, education, society is western, and thus you are unable to construct your own view, but theirs. Whatever East (Russia, China, India) do, you already automaticly have set of views upon yourself - about them. No matter if Russia drop communism, or China switch to capitalism, you will still call them iliberal, ademocratic or any other word that comes from western-based think thanks and institutions, specially created to keep the virtual wall between the West and East. As you said; widely accepted by the political scientists and constitutionalists. I wish to see their place of living, their employer and their nationality, i wonder if i would be surprised.

Hence, no matter how much i tell you, post proofs and videos how Russia and China are actually free and Russia not different politically or economically than the West, you cannot accept it because you are already molded that way to accept only one set of views and automaticly ignore anything else.

And as i said, Roosevelt won 4 elections, but no one calls him autocrat, strongman or dictator, but reformer and patriot, while you mention some constitutionalists, you ignore to read Russian constitution which allow politician like Putin to run again, but instantly call Russian system autocratic and monopartist.

That is what Dugin wants to start in Russia, to use the West and particularly US as a scapegoat, for all issues, Just like how West is using Russia. But problem is, that is very easy, it is easy to start such system which will again divide Russians and Americans, based on a lie, and it isn't in a Easterner nature to be hostile and doubtful to foreigners, but friendly and trustful. That is why you won't find anti-westernism in Russian or Chinese media, but simply internal daily news (which again western-based think thanks accuse of being brainwashing)

As long you are surrounded by informations created, agreed, and spread from one center, you will never be able to critically think and create your own view. Instead, you will just post one lines which will always be wrong.

Általa írva Skanderbeg, 23.02.2018 at 13:19

Általa írva Al Fappino, 19.02.2018 at 17:57

Okay I talked about 1 thing and you made a Thesis about Western Russophobia, classic.

I simply mentioned the nature of their political system within an autocratic political regime and that is widely accepted by political scientists and Constitutionalists throughout, who classify those nations as Autocratic, or Iliberal or Ademocratic. I do not base myself on Liberal Propaganda as some people base themselves on when they charge on you, I actually base it on reading and lightly (yet) studying the nature of those 2 political realities.

So please, what's with the thesis?

1. this is not twitter, which force you to write single lines

2: Here you go again... That's the problem, your view is shaped by american deep state since 70 years ago, and until that changes you cannot independently shape a view about the East.

After 70 years of establishing set of rules that have to be followed by the system, you only have to come here and say 2 words which are easily accepted (because the machinery is already running), while we need 2 pages to explain you real situation, why you are wrong and why's that.

99% of your media, education, society is western, and thus you are unable to construct your own view, but theirs. Whatever East (Russia, China, India) do, you already automaticly have set of views upon yourself - about them. No matter if Russia drop communism, or China switch to capitalism, you will still call them iliberal, ademocratic or any other word that comes from western-based think thanks and institutions, specially created to keep the virtual wall between the West and East. As you said; widely accepted by the political scientists and constitutionalists. I wish to see their place of living, their employer and their nationality, i wonder if i would be surprised.

Hence, no matter how much i tell you, post proofs and videos how Russia and China are actually free and Russia not different politically or economically than the West, you cannot accept it because you are already molded that way to accept only one set of views and automaticly ignore anything else.

And as i said, Roosevelt won 4 elections, but no one calls him autocrat, strongman or dictator, but reformer and patriot, while you mention some constitutionalists, you ignore to read Russian constitution which allow politician like Putin to run again, but instantly call Russian system autocratic and monopartist.

That is what Dugin wants to start in Russia, to use the West and particularly US as a scapegoat, for all issues, Just like how West is using Russia. But problem is, that is very easy, it is easy to start such system which will again divide Russians and Americans, based on a lie, and it isn't in a Easterner nature to be hostile and doubtful to foreigners, but friendly and trustful. That is why you won't find anti-westernism in Russian or Chinese media, but simply internal daily news (which again western-based think thanks accuse of being brainwashing)

As long you are surrounded by informations created, agreed, and spread from one center, you will never be able to critically think and create your own view. Instead, you will just post one lines which will always be wrong.

So you suggest that I get my news from Russia and the BRIC countries from where? Sputnik and RT? I'm literally not being biased, I'm literally speaking on sources I read, who btw have no alignment with any state. Infact, one of the Doctrinaries I've read about has one of the best studies of Soviet/Russian and Chinese law system of Lusophonic. You counter reality with what your States provide, info-wise lmao

Általa írva Helly, 07.02.2018 at 07:47

Do you have a conservitive party, or is it liberal vs neo-Liberal vs centrist left vs communists like most of europe?

Can someone please slap some sense into this mook. He's a total shill for conservatives. He's the kind of guy who would vote for someone who has a (R)epublican next to his name without any thoughts into their policies or stances. I wouldn't be surprised if he would vote for a pedo or a chomo as long as they have an R in their name.

Általa írva Witch-Doctor, 27.02.2018 at 03:21

Általa írva Helly, 07.02.2018 at 07:47

Do you have a conservitive party, or is it liberal vs neo-Liberal vs centrist left vs communists like most of europe?

Can someone please slap some sense into this mook. He's a total shill for conservatives. He's the kind of guy who would vote for someone who has a (R)epublican next to his name without any thoughts into their policies or stances. I wouldn't be surprised if he would vote for a pedo or a chomo as long as they have an R in their name.

More shit talking, do you got anything better to do? Have you ever been productive in your life? Go help the elderly or something you need some happiness in your life.

Általa írva Al Fappino, 26.02.2018 at 11:56

So you suggest that I get my news from Russia and the BRIC countries from where? Sputnik and RT? I'm literally not being biased, I'm literally speaking on sources I read, who btw have no alignment with any state. Infact, one of the Doctrinaries I've read about has one of the best studies of Soviet/Russian and Chinese law system of Lusophonic. You counter reality with what your States provide, info-wise lmao

I don't see a problem getting news from 'state' owned media. Just because there are private media doesn't mean they are independent and original, on the contrary, it means they say whatever you tell them, for money. That's also how autistic anarchic private judiciary works they dream about. It is same as for private armies who are created only so states can't be trialed for war crimes (hey, its blackwater raping in iraq, not united states army, go after them not us).

Most modern things are created by the State, like education, healthcare, infrastructure, military, even private business was helped by the State in the 19th century by great powers during industrialization, giving them money and subsidized their products. Now do tell me that private business must handle infrastructure please, let's see how that works out for the population.

Therefore, again i proved how you fall for propaganda. You are looking where fault does not exist just because 'they' told you.

But anyway, it's not like you gonna agree with the East anytime soon, probably never. If it is not 'state media', then you will say 'you listen to anti-western private media', if not that, then 'its youtube' or 'internet, get your proofs from real sources like world known media, not start-ups'.

Általa írva Skanderbeg, 27.02.2018 at 13:47

Általa írva Al Fappino, 26.02.2018 at 11:56

So you suggest that I get my news from Russia and the BRIC countries from where? Sputnik and RT? I'm literally not being biased, I'm literally speaking on sources I read, who btw have no alignment with any state. Infact, one of the Doctrinaries I've read about has one of the best studies of Soviet/Russian and Chinese law system of Lusophonic. You counter reality with what your States provide, info-wise lmao

I don't see a problem getting news from 'state' owned media. Just because there are private media doesn't mean they are independent and original, on the contrary, it means they say whatever you tell them, for money. That's also how autistic anarchic private judiciary works they dream about. It is same as for private armies who are created only so states can't be trialed for war crimes (hey, its blackwater raping in iraq, not united states army, go after them not us).

Most modern things are created by the State, like education, healthcare, infrastructure, military, even private business was helped by the State in the 19th century by great powers during industrialization, giving them money and subsidized their products. Now do tell me that private business must handle infrastructure please, let's see how that works out for the population.

Therefore, again i proved how you fall for propaganda. You are looking where fault does not exist just because 'they' told you.

But anyway, it's not like you gonna agree with the East anytime soon, probably never. If it is not 'state media', then you will say 'you listen to anti-western private media', if not that, then 'its youtube' or 'internet, get your proofs from real sources like world known media, not start-ups'.

I get news from the state television here aswell, but Media here are independently checked. It's called a checks and balances system. The same cannot be said for your media, sadly. My discord with the East is not as dark as you portray. It's simply due to existing facts. And no I'm not "against russia" cuz of Crimea for instance, cuz I supported its annexation in a way

Általa írva Al Fappino, 28.02.2018 at 08:47

I get news from the state television here aswell, but Media here are independently checked. It's called a checks and balances system. The same cannot be said for your media, sadly. My discord with the East is not as dark as you portray. It's simply due to existing facts. And no I'm not "against russia" cuz of Crimea for instance, cuz I supported its annexation in a way

If you say 'it cannot be said for your media', then obviously you do not know how much freedom media have in eastern Europe and Russia... They are ironically more free than western just by looking at the content: bullishit they write about society, religion, economy and politics. From all that you extract only tiny part of politics to prove your point, and its not even work for you since it is free already.

If we ban media and arrest them, prisons would be filled with them, but that's not the case as West portrait it, reporters even get medals here for their work, and have rewards to give themselves every few years.

I can go even more, but will stop here: we know more about you because many of us migrated to the West and you don't know about us because you still didn't come to visit, but form opinion from statements made during Cold War.

To be honest i hope Matteo Salvini whit his Lega Nord & Berlusconi whit his Party can get a majority of votes and get out of the EU before being dragged down whit it when it collapses, the usual is already being said like whit Trump Election & Brexit "far Far FAR right wing parties" or the Leftist who fucked italy over whit 600.000 migrants who are ravaging the nation (take your pick which ever you want for your nation)

EDIT: Ravaging the Nation - Draining the Wellfare from Decent Tax Paying CITIZENS and ofcourse the usual escapades such as Murders - Rapes & Gang Violence (altough the last one they are pretty used to due to Maffia but even the Maffia declared war against the Migrants lol so yeah)

Általa írva Skanderbeg, 28.02.2018 at 12:57

I can go even more, but will stop here: we know more about you because many of us migrated to the West and you don't know about us because you still didn't come to visit, but form opinion from statements made during Cold War.

It's worthless to debate with you at some point because everything you say revolves around the Cold War. There's a Russia after the Cold War that's not as open as Easterners bust their ass to portray. Yet, you have arrested journalists there for some reason?

Általa írva Al Fappino, 01.03.2018 at 09:36

It's worthless to debate with you at some point because everything you say revolves around the Cold War. There's a Russia after the Cold War that's not as open as Easterners bust their ass to portray. Yet, you have arrested journalists there for some reason?

1. Nope, on-the-contrary, everything westerners do revovles around Cold War. They still have NATO, hate Russia, think it is communist, and then tourists get shocked when they visit it and say it is normal and peaceful, not like portraited in the west (google it, many stories).

2. Easterners does not bust their ass to portray it as open, they are simply proud it is. Here patriotism is not connected to ultranationalism, far-right movements or fascism like in the west, it's simply national spirit born thousand years ago and which dominated atmosphere during wars where people valued their life when surrounded by death, now they connect that feeling with patriotism everytime there is a national holiday or great event like Crimean reunion.

3. Yes, people get arrested for crime, it's called rule of law and many civilizations work like that. There's one thing called corporate crime, here better known as economic crime. You get arrest and put to jail for sabotage, fraud, theft and misinformation(ie making business lose money). In journalist case they used fake news to get views which in return made profit and that is illegal, therefore they end up in jail. It's simply a fake card played by the West to portray how there's not freedom of information and media in Russia, and it works among 50% of western population, which is sad fact. While in reality, it is protection of media and freedom.

You forgot the difference because your societies are brainwashed to the ears, they pushed lgbt on you, migrants, crime, gambling, atheism, militant feminism, military alliance obligation (which is literally extortion. Fake world they create in media mixed with your real world so you don't know any different.