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Küldte Aetius, 22.08.2016 - 10:29
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Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game

gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families

Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.

Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.

Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.


Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power

Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.

Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…

Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.

Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.

Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.

At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.

Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.


At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.

Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.

Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.

Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out

29.08.2016 - 21:46
Dictator Vote 1
Consul Vote 2
Censor Vote 1
Praetor Vote 1
Replace Publius Marius commanding the 1st Gallic War with? 2
Who will command the 1st Macedonian War? 2 ( macedonian vs the macedonians) im a traitor xD
Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets 1
Force deployments 2
Tax farmer 1 MrArmy987
Tax Farmer 4 Resting Lime
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29.08.2016 - 22:15
Dictator Vote
2)nay

Consul Vote
2)Tiberius Numertorius (JF.) & Arruns Octavius (aurum.)

Censor Vote
1)Herius Sertorius (Aetius)

Praetor Vote
1)Marco Flavius (Aqollo)

Commands
The Consuls have chosen not to replace Cossus Nipius Papus ( Death1816) & Aquila Phoenicus (Phoenix) [Potestatem] as overall commanders of the First Punic War


Replace Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) commanding the 1st Gallic War with?
4)Nay

Who will command the 1st Macedonian War?
1)Consul Opiter Caelius (Safari)

Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
1)3 Legions

Force deployments
3)7 Legions returned from Illyria (7) to fight gauls, newly raised legions to fight Carthage


Numetorian Land Bill -redistribute land to the plebs
Tier I -20 talents to the treasury -1 Unrest if it passes
Sponsor: Tiberius Numertorius (JF.) will gain +2 popularity if passes
Cosponser: none
VETOED

~Consul Falavious Marcus addresses the Senate:~

"I veto the proposal of a land bill. With enemies at our door steps, the loss of favour with the Gods, and the lack of funds necessary to even build up and maintain new legions and fleets, the State cannot afford to subsidize farmers when we can hardly subsidize our citizens fighting in the field."

Note: A tribune can override this veto

Tax farmer 1 (+2 talents)(winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)
Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987) Backed by both consuls +22 votes)

Tax Farmer 4 (+2 talents) (winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)
Decius Herminius Damasippus (Resting Lime) Backed by both consuls +22 votes)
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29.08.2016 - 22:19
 Witch-Doctor (Mód)
Dictator Vote (NOTE: If the Dictator is elected he will take charge immediately and proposal votes of the Senate will become merely "advice" for the dictator)
1)Gaius Antonius Asellio (El Tundero)

Consul Vote
1)Cossus Nipius Papus (death1816) & Aurelius Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu)

Censor Vote
1)Herius Sertorius (Aetius)

Praetor Vote
Abstain

Replace Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) commanding the 1st Gallic War with?
4)Nay

Who will command the 1st Macedonian War?
Abstain


Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
1)3 Legions

Force deployments
3)7 Legions returned from Illyria (7) to fight gauls, newly raised legions to fight Carthage


Note: A tribune can override this veto

Tax farmer 1 (+2 talents)(winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)

Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987) Backed by both consuls +22 votes)


Tax Farmer 4 (+2 talents) (winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)
*Tiberius Numertorius (JF.)
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30.08.2016 - 02:06
1)Gaius Antonius Asellio (El Tundero)

Consul Vote
2)Tiberius Numertorius (JF.) & Arruns Octavius (aurum.)

Censor Vote
2)Opiter Caelius (Safari)

Praetor Vote
1)Marco Flavius (Aqollo)

Commands

Replace Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) commanding the 1st Gallic War with?
2)Tiberius Numertorius (JF.)

Who will command the 1st Macedonian War?
3)Herius Sertorius (Aetius)

Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
1)3 Legions

Force deployments
3)7 Legions returned from Illyria (7) to fight gauls, newly raised legions to fight Carthage

Tax farmer 1
Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987) Backed by both consuls +22 votes)

Tax Farmer 4
Decius Herminius Damasippus (Resting Lime) Backed by both consuls +22 votes)
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30.08.2016 - 02:20
Would just like to point out that myself and Tirpitz are immune to disaster rolls vs Macedonia.. The fact neither of us are chosen to fight them is ridiculous

You only need death to fight Carthage and I'm personally not bothered about fighting gauls that much... You could give someone else a shot
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30.08.2016 - 02:24
Dictator: 2
Consul: 1
Censor: 2
Praetor: 2
Gallic War: 1
1st Macedonian War: 3
Levying: 1
Force deployment: 3
Tax Farmer 1: Vibius Caetronianus
Tax Farmer 4: Decius Herminius Damasippus
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Someone Better Than You
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30.08.2016 - 05:03
Dictator Vote (NOTE: If the Dictator is elected he will take charge immediately and proposal votes of the Senate will become merely "advice" for the dictator)
2)nay

Consul Vote
2)Tiberius Numertorius (JF.) & Arruns Octavius (aurum.)

Censor Vote
1)Herius Sertorius (Aetius)

Praetor Vote
1)Marco Flavius (Aqollo)


Replace Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) commanding the 1st Gallic War with?
4)Nay

Who will command the 1st Macedonian War?
3)Herius Sertorius (Aetius) [Populares]


Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
1)3 Legions


Force deployments
3)7 Legions returned from Illyria (7) to fight gauls, newly raised legions to fight Carthage

Tax farmer 1 (+2 talents)(winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)
Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987) Backed by both consuls +22 votes)


Tax Farmer 4 (+2 talents) (winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)
Decius Herminius Damasippus (Resting Lime) Backed by both consuls +22 votes)
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30.08.2016 - 07:19
I think my military skill should be reduced to -1
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If a game is around long enough, people will find the most efficient way to play it and start playing it like robots
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30.08.2016 - 08:39
Dictator Vote
2)nay

Consul Vote
1)Cossus Nipius Papus (death1816) & Aurelius Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu)

Censor Vote
1)Herius Sertorius (Aetius)

Praetor Vote
1)Marco Flavius (Aqollo)


Replace Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) commanding the 1st Gallic War with?
4)Nay

Who will command the 1st Macedonian War?
3)Herius Sertorius (Aetius)


Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
1)3 Legions


Force deployments
3)7 Legions returned from Illyria (7) to fight gauls, newly raised legions to fight Carthage

Tax farmer 1 (+2 talents)(winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)
Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987) Backed by both consuls +22 votes)


Tax Farmer 4 (+2 talents) (winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)
Cossus Nipius Papus ( Death1816)
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30.08.2016 - 08:51
Dictator Vote
1) yay

Consul Vote
1)Cossus Nipius Papus (death1816) & Aurelius Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu)

Censor Vote
1)Herius Sertorius (Aetius)

Praetor Vote
1)Marco Flavius (Aqollo)


Replace Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) commanding the 1st Gallic War with?
4)Nay

Who will command the 1st Macedonian War?
None of them because they dont have a bonus against disaster rolls which killed us last game!


Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
1)3 Legions


Force deployments
Kill Carthage with allllll

Tax farmer 1 (+2 talents)(winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)
Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987) Backed by both consuls +22 votes)


Tax Farmer 4 (+2 talents) (winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)
Resting lime
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30.08.2016 - 08:59
I will use 8 coins to buy votes for dictator
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30.08.2016 - 09:20
 Witch-Doctor (Mód)
Általa írva Tundy, 30.08.2016 at 08:59

I will use 8 coins to buy votes for dictator


Everybody is already voting yes. Put your money elsewhere.
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30.08.2016 - 10:25
Dictator Vote
2)Nay

Consul Vote
1)Cossus Nipius Papus (death1816) & Aurelius Cornelius Scipio (Zephyrusu)

Censor Vote
1)Herius Sertorius (Aetius)

Praetor Vote
1)Marco Flavius (Aqollo)

Replace Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) commanding the 1st Gallic War with?
4)Nay

Who will command the 1st Macedonian War?
3)Herius Sertorius (Aetius) [Populares]


Vote upon levying of new Legions/fleets
1)3 Legions


Force deployments
3)7 Legions returned from Illyria (7) to fight Gauls, newly raised legions to fight Carthage

Tax farmer 1 (+2 talents)
Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987)


Tax Farmer 4 (+2 talents)
Cossus Nipius Papus (Death1816)



I would like to ask the Senate, why would you elect a man as Dictator who does not serve Rome, but only himself?
Senator Gaius Antonius has never once spent any of his talents on Rome, he has only ever spent his talents on bribes for first making Senator Aquila Phoenicus Dictator, then himself,

This conduct is not that of a Roman Senator, but that of a Carthaginian or Phoenician merchant, only these people would resort to bribery while giving nothing to their state.

I furthermore question the Consuls not spending more of the Roman treasury on raising new Legions, is that supposed to be some sort of coercion to further ensure Gaius Antonius' position as Dictator, or perhaps King, of Rome?
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"Another such victory and I come back to Epirus alone" - Pyrrhus of Epirus
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30.08.2016 - 10:43
Általa írva Pyrrhus, 30.08.2016 at 10:25

I would like to ask the Senate, why would you elect a man as Dictator who does not serve Rome, but only himself?
Senator Gaius Antonius has never once spent any of his talents on Rome, he has only ever spent his talents on bribes for first making Senator Aquila Phoenicus Dictator, then himself,

This conduct is not that of a Roman Senator, but that of a Carthaginian or Phoenician merchant, only these people would resort to bribery while giving nothing to their state.

I furthermore question the Consuls not spending more of the Roman treasury on raising new Legions, is that supposed to be some sort of coercion to further ensure Gaius Antonius' position as Dictator, or perhaps King, of Rome?


I'm sorry I failed to defeat Carthage by a 1....
We're smart enough to prevent Tunder going too far with his power.
I question why you would need to cry over it when we evidently need dictator powers to overcome some of our opponents, given previous failures.
I would also like to point out that before becoming Dictator I've given 5 talents to Rome... and I'm broke as it is....
I also kept you in charge against the Gauls, despite your incompetence and clinging to command against Carthage in the previous game which preceded our downfall.
If Tunder can defeat Carthage this turn, whether he is scheming or not we should encourage his service, not question his motives.

He is unable to claim anything for himself out of the concessions. He will be unable to effectively rebel because he is broke and he will need to use death1812 to achieve the battle rolls he needs against Carthage to begin with.... Tunder is in no position to screw the rest of us... so why would you need to question him?

As far as I'm concerned everyone playing the 3rd attempt at this game just wants to make it past the first era
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30.08.2016 - 11:26
==Turn 5: Phase 3 has begun==
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30.08.2016 - 12:53
 Witch-Doctor (Mód)
Kick some Carthaginian ass.
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30.08.2016 - 18:39
 JF.
LAND BILL Type 2! should have accepted when i put it.
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30.08.2016 - 18:44
==Turn 6: Phase 1 has begun==
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30.08.2016 - 18:55
Roll for an equite

I hope the Romans notice that i have been the first person that has ever left Rome's treasury with a surplus.
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30.08.2016 - 18:56
 Witch-Doctor (Mód)
Holy crap we have an unrest of 7, we need games badly.

5 talent to rome.
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30.08.2016 - 19:05
Tirpitz, godfather, pyrrhus, safari, ghost, tunder

games pls.
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30.08.2016 - 19:09
3 on equite
1 to rome
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30.08.2016 - 19:11
3 talents for roll on equite
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30.08.2016 - 19:12
Host gladiator games for 13 talents and roll for equite
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30.08.2016 - 19:15
 JF.
Land bill Type 2.
Gladiatorial Games.
+3 roll on an Equite.
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30.08.2016 - 19:16
I would host a game but I'm poor....

So 3 on equite pls.

When I have enough equites I'll spam games.
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30.08.2016 - 19:19
Általa írva Phoenix, 30.08.2016 at 19:16

I would host a game but I'm poor....

So 3 on equite pls.

When I have enough equites I'll spam games.
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30.08.2016 - 19:48
3 on equite
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Everyone is living a myth and it's important to know what yours is. It could be a tragedy- and maybe you don't want it to be.
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30.08.2016 - 19:55
"I suggest the Consuls remove unworthy Gaius Octavius, and replace him back with the rightful commander Publius Marius who has been denied battle for years unjustly. The gauls in italy is simply an intolerable issue and must be resolved at once, while the other two wars should not be ignored either. Put the large treasury to use!

Also, I as Censor will prosecute those I feel have held their concessions for too long or have been immoral. Long live the Republic."

3 on equite

Általa írva JF., 30.08.2016 at 19:15

Land bill Type 2.
Gladiatorial Games.
+3 roll on an Equite.

I would like to co-sponser this (if you accept)
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30.08.2016 - 20:22
In the treasury stuff..

Isn't 12 legions supposed to be 24 not 26 cost?
Does this mean we have 110 to spend?

I cba to do the math its 2am..
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